Interesting they made an app in the first place, can they move the activity to a website, maybe multiple domains?
Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin
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Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin
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Google obeys Russian laws. Of course they'll disclose any information they have given proper police request. They did that many times in the past. With Russia and with other countries. Do you expect Google to go partisan war against Russian government?
>Do you expect Google to go partisan war against Russian government? Expect? To some degree, yes, for example they do not remove "illegal" YouTube videos yet. Would like to? Absolutely.
I'd expect them to predict this problem and design a system where it's not a problem. They'd specifically built a system that allows them to do this
Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin
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It really is a lowest common denominator. American companies would never impose American values, but they'll bend the knee to any authoritarian country with a juicy market.
Can you please describe what it means to "bend a knee"? It sounds like following the local laws to me. Do you mean something else? What else they are supposed to do? Act as a rough agent? Be the East India Company of the century, recruit mercenaries and compel foreign nations to work they see fit?
Don't sell stuff in that country and act like the saviour of human rights in the other.
Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin
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You are comparing ”apples” to oranges. App store apps are built by third parties whereas CSAM is Apple’s own code and design on OS level, applying on global level. App store apps have been under removal threat in every country for many years if they can be considered as illegal.
The CSAM databases are not Apple's own either.
Apple uses databases from 2 or more child safety organisations.
Specifically to prevent governments from being able to include entries.
Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin
#35Money is money. Thats sad but predictable. The future web should be decentralized.
Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
It really is a lowest common denominator. American companies would never impose American values, but they'll bend the knee to any authoritarian country with a juicy market.
Can you please describe what it means to "bend a knee"? It sounds like following the local laws to me. Do you mean something else? What else they are supposed to do? Act as a rough agent? Be the East India Company of the century, recruit mercenaries and compel foreign nations to work they see fit?
There is no law in Russia that prevents Apple from hosting an app called Navalny published by Roman Rubanov. The content of the app is also legal even by Russian standards: it is basically a list of officially registered candidates supported by Navalny.
Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin
#37Interesting they made an app in the first place, can they move the activity to a website, maybe multiple domains?
They have bot in telegram @smartvotebot
Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
The CSAM databases are not Apple's own either.
Apple uses databases from 2 or more child safety organisations. Specifically to prevent governments from being able to include entries.
What stops governments from requiring that "this one list" is required to be used, regardless of other organisations? Certainly not "Apple TOS".
Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are comparing ”apples” to oranges. App store apps are built by third parties whereas CSAM is Apple’s own code and design on OS level, applying on global level. App store apps have been under removal threat in every country for many years if they can be considered as illegal.
Apple has to comply with local laws, regardless of who authored the code.
Yes, but they are not forced to add new features, only to remove, which is kinda big difference.