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Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

#21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vast majority of electoral votes is going to be cast in Russia either way.

I mean the app isn't removed, maybe just hidden from search for Russian users.

No, it does show a "not found" page for me on Google Play, as if it never existed. Not even the usual complete app listing with "not available in your country".

edit: screenshots https://imgur.com/a/aZqPSQR

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google obeys Russian laws. Of course they'll disclose any information they have given proper police request. They did that many times in the past. With Russia and with other countries. Do you expect Google to go partisan war against Russian government?

Why didn't they remove Navalny's videos from YouTube then?

I guess because Russian authorities did not make a proper requests for doing so.

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

#23
post #18

There's no way Apple or any company to act as an extralegal entity in another country. Every time something like that comes up, I'm baffled by the expectation that an American company will impose the American values or American laws in another country. Back in the day when the internet felt like international thing not bound by any local laws, that was possible to some degrees but legislators caught up with it. It is…

It really is a lowest common denominator. American companies would never impose American values, but they'll bend the knee to any authoritarian country with a juicy market.

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

#24

Previously, Google usually ignored such requests, but seems to have finally gave in. If they are willing to remove the app, what's next, disclosing personal information to help the regime with repressions, preventing access from Russia to other Google resources, removing YouTube videos? The "we comply with local laws" clause effectively puts citizens of opperssive regime at a disadvantage. It's not like I had an impr…

Google obeys Russian laws. Of course they'll disclose any information they have given proper police request. They did that many times in the past. With Russia and with other countries. Do you expect Google to go partisan war against Russian government?

>Do you expect Google to go partisan war against Russian government?

Expect? To some degree, yes, for example they do not remove "illegal" YouTube videos yet. Would like to? Absolutely.

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

#25

Some of my friends from ex-USSR countries (not Russia) are telling me it's available there on Google Play.

iOS version has been removed from Russia App Store only as evidenced by this letter https://twitter.com/ioannZH/status/1438750081402953728/photo...

I would guess the same applies to Google Play

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

#26
post #18

There's no way Apple or any company to act as an extralegal entity in another country. Every time something like that comes up, I'm baffled by the expectation that an American company will impose the American values or American laws in another country. Back in the day when the internet felt like international thing not bound by any local laws, that was possible to some degrees but legislators caught up with it. It is…

It really is a lowest common denominator. American companies would never impose American values, but they'll bend the knee to any authoritarian country with a juicy market.

Can you please describe what it means to "bend a knee"? It sounds like following the local laws to me. Do you mean something else? What else they are supposed to do? Act as a rough agent? Be the East India Company of the century, recruit mercenaries and compel foreign nations to work they see fit?

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

#27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vast majority of electoral votes is going to be cast in Russia either way.

I mean the app isn't removed, maybe just hidden from search for Russian users.

No, if (and only if) your Google Play region is set to Russia, the app isn’t accessible, not even via a direct link. This is how a local ban works: while it isn’t strictly speaking deletion as the files are manifestly still on Google’s servers, the users from the relevant country are locked out.

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

#28
post #18

There's no way Apple or any company to act as an extralegal entity in another country. Every time something like that comes up, I'm baffled by the expectation that an American company will impose the American values or American laws in another country. Back in the day when the internet felt like international thing not bound by any local laws, that was possible to some degrees but legislators caught up with it. It is…

It really is a lowest common denominator. American companies would never impose American values, but they'll bend the knee to any authoritarian country with a juicy market.

> American companies would never impose American values

s/never/always, without even realising/

(they globalised FOSTA/SESTA, for example)

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean the app isn't removed, maybe just hidden from search for Russian users.

No, if (and only if) your Google Play region is set to Russia, the app isn’t accessible, not even via a direct link. This is how a local ban works: while it isn’t strictly speaking deletion as the files are manifestly still on Google’s servers, the users from the relevant country are locked out.

So the circumvention is as easy as changing region, installing the app, changing region back?
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