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Windows 11: Just say no

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Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by raxxorrax »

Someone1234 wrote: post #21

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

Honestly I hope they keep UI elements from Windows 2000, because they are functional and informative. You don't have to use it if you don't want to. But at least it allows you to administrate the system.

MacOS is nice to use, but that is also restricted to daily use cases. If you want to administrate the system, you have an UI from the 70s, mainly the terminal. If you remove older UI elements from Windows, you are left with a useless toy box.

There is no single instance where the new setting perform better than the old ones, on the contrary it is a complete unstructured mess. They should remove it and try again in my opinion.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by wruza »

guardian5x wrote: post #384
tartoran wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why change something that you already are familiar with and already sunk time to master your own workflow on? Let that be people’s decision, not get it forced down their throats. Windows has been taking control from the users, became agressive with telemetry, inability to control when you want to apply upgrades, lost work on sessions due to automatic upgrades, removed settings after upgrade, interminable waits after…

There are often reasons to change, and sometimes reasons to keep things. A lot of it is subjective.

Since when “subjective” became “irrelevant”? You love how your home is built and you’ve done much to make its rooms and areas comfortable and useful. You know it from the roof to the basement. “Nah, a lot of it is subjective”, says the Home Redesign Standarten Führer and rebuilds it from scratch every few years, throwing out “this unnecessary, that obsolete” furniture and appliances. “There are often reasons to change, sir, and sometimes reasons to keep things”, mentions he, looking at you insightfully in his black uniform, while you’re trying to cope with the irreversible damage.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

alkonaut wrote: post #94
cogman10 wrote: post #64

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This is what drives me nuts. Why do they keep messing with the UI? Nobody wants that! Even Apple and Google have both figured out that screwing around with UX every release is a recipe for making your customers HATE you. What I, and probably non-power users want out of windows is for it to be faster and use less power. I'd honestly be happy to go back to a Win95 interface with the latest kernel. Microsoft needs to fi…

> It's not broke, stop trying to fix it. There could have been better ways to keep it modern, but just leaving everything alone because “it works” isn’t really an option. First comes Unicode, then 4K/High-dpi scaling, then touch support and so on. Once high DPI screens arrived, UIs that scaled poorly literally don’t work.

Apple managed to support high-dpi without turning the whole thing upside down.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by bambataa »

dartharva wrote: post #400
abledon wrote: post #255

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Cough spotify

I largely believe the Spotify folks keep making changes in their apps solely to break the experiences of those who're running cracked (ad-blocked) builds.

They seem to be happy breaking everyone else’s experience too though. Even basic functionality fails quite often for me.

The absolute worst is the macOS Music app, which doesn’t seem to allow basic things such as dragging from search results to playlists.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by ImaCake »

partiallypro wrote: post #124

I have been using Windows 11 as a daily driver and don't really understand people's hostility towards it. It is definitely an upgrade over Windows 10. Comparing it to Vista is nonsensical. I don't agree with a few decisions (like making centering the menu a default?) but most are easily fixed. I would like to see them delay it to fix some problems, but it's possible those will already be fleshed out by launch.

I've been using the beta for a week or so. It's pretty nice honestly. I got the beta because you can setup different wallpapers for each of your virtual desktops. I really like that feature and found nothing else either much better or worse.

I do find the search function is snappier and more accurate though. If anything this is a return to windows 7. It is definitely not problematic like vista or 8.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by bronlund »

Someone1234 wrote: post #21

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

This is typical of big technology projects based on greed. The new guys just don't understand what the old guys did and are unable to fix anything. But they have to do something, so they just pile more crap on top. They have been doing this for decades.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

N00bN00b wrote: post #190
pjmlp wrote: post #7

I have to agree, even though I have plenty of pro-Windows comments. To me Windows 11 feels like Vista, and to everyone that got burned with the rewrites on the WinRT side, just using plain Win32/MFC/Forms/WPF feels liberating. Multiple teams are fighting UI politics over WinUI, MAUI on top of WinUI, React Native with WinUI, and classical UWP is not going away (Windows 11 Store is written in it), then ASP.NET team is…

Wouldn't surprise me if you reboot your computer one day and surprise! It's windows 11 now! Remember, they did the same thing with Windows 10 a couple of times.

"As a free replacement for Windows 10, your PC will upgrade to Windows 11 automatically."

From https://www.pcworld.com/article/3623008/windows-11-faq-featu... rather than the horses mouth but I expect it is correct.

I'm glad I'm on unsupported hardware.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by baxuz »

pjmlp wrote: post #105
v413 wrote: post #86

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React is slow for the perf targets of VSCode.

React Native != React. Also do you consider that VSCode has higher performance requirements than XBox dashboard, or Office plugins?

It's still React, and it's still too slow. The only difference is where the render is committed to (DOM vs Native UI)

Having a declarative rendering logic, a rendering runtime, the VDOM, diffing, re-rendering, update scheduling and everything else that React uses under the hood is always going to be slower than tailor-made imperative rendering.

And let's not even go down the rabbit hole which is concurrent mode and suspense, where React is going to be basically a black box more suited to quantum computing with the whole "render x times and settle on a result that it thinks is correct".

I'm not sure if it will take up more resources than the Xbox dashboard or office plugins, but I am willing to say "yes". The dashboard is quite simple compared to a full-fledged IDE which VScode is becoming, and I'm yet to see the whole Office suite, including the underlying logic, being ported to React Native.

Atom was ported to React at one point but they quickly abandoned it because of the bad performance. Microsoft followed suit and hasn't even bothered with React for VScode.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by throaway46546 »

tablespoon wrote: post #369
john_moscow wrote: post #351

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It continues a decades-long tradition where every other Windows version is borderline unusable and universally hated. As long as I remember: * Windows 3.0 was perceived as buggy * Windows 3.1/3.11 was a major improvement * Windows 95 was extremely unreliable * Windows 98 sort of addressed most of the issues * Windows 2000 was a weird amalgamation of the NT kernel and 98/ME look'n'feel that wasn't received well * Wind…

> * Windows 10 fixed it Windows 10 is biggest garbage fire POS Windows version yet, because of their new update model. For the last several months , I've been unable to install the mandatory (for non-enterprise users) feature update patches. They fail to install with a cryptic error code and get rolled back. If I don't get this figured out soon, I'm not going to be able to get security patches anymore. I should be ab…

Paying for MSDN to get LTSC is worth it.
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