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Windows 11: Just say no

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Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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It continues a decades-long tradition where every other Windows version is borderline unusable and universally hated. As long as I remember: * Windows 3.0 was perceived as buggy * Windows 3.1/3.11 was a major improvement * Windows 95 was extremely unreliable * Windows 98 sort of addressed most of the issues * Windows 2000 was a weird amalgamation of the NT kernel and 98/ME look'n'feel that wasn't received well * Wind…

> Windows 10 fixed it Good joke. There is nothing I can do in Windows 10 that Windows 7 didn't do better. From start bar search to window decorations. Windows 10 has actively gotten in the way of what was a great practical experience. Windows 11 makes the window decorations a little better (still inconsistent with poor design choices), but adding a bunch of crap that I can't opt out of on install (like teams, skype a…

> There is nothing I can do in Windows 10 that Windows 7 didn't do better.

For devs, WinRT as COM evolution, using .NET Native and C++/CX.

Basically what .NET 1.0 should have been all along, a better way to write COM with AOT compiled language, following up on what VB 6 was already capable of.

And Delphi / C++ Builder have been offering since they exist.

Unfortunately internal politic games, and messed up execution kind of killed that.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It continues a decades-long tradition where every other Windows version is borderline unusable and universally hated. As long as I remember: * Windows 3.0 was perceived as buggy * Windows 3.1/3.11 was a major improvement * Windows 95 was extremely unreliable * Windows 98 sort of addressed most of the issues * Windows 2000 was a weird amalgamation of the NT kernel and 98/ME look'n'feel that wasn't received well * Wind…

> Windows 10 fixed it Good joke. There is nothing I can do in Windows 10 that Windows 7 didn't do better. From start bar search to window decorations. Windows 10 has actively gotten in the way of what was a great practical experience. Windows 11 makes the window decorations a little better (still inconsistent with poor design choices), but adding a bunch of crap that I can't opt out of on install (like teams, skype a…

Maybe, but just really maybe, gaming? I'm genuinely asking

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Nobody gets paid to leave things alone and maybe that's a big problem with the world.

It's definitely a big problem with software. This "need to constantly pay developers" is part of the justification for moving towards subscription payment instead of one-time payment. The logic goes: One-time payment won't pay for future changes, and developers are always making changes, and they need to be paid for. But, what if I don't want future changes? For almost all software I've ever paid for, as a user, I ju…

That is why consulting and outsourcing exist, you only pay for developers while you actually need them.

There are even companies outside software business, that pay contractors per tickets, basically a budget is assigned and the contractor does as much tickets as they are capable of for the given budget.

Now the quality of the code is not for the faint of heart.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Not been on Win for a long time, but isn't Win 7 generally regarded as the best/most stable?

I think they mean 'odd' as in 'every second one' rather than odd version number. E.g: 11 - bad, 10 - good, 8 - bad, 7 - good, Vista - bad, XP - good, etc, etc.

Not native speaker, this is indeed what I meant :)

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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I have been using Windows 11 as a daily driver and don't really understand people's hostility towards it. It is definitely an upgrade over Windows 10. Comparing it to Vista is nonsensical. I don't agree with a few decisions (like making centering the menu a default?) but most are easily fixed. I would like to see them delay it to fix some problems, but it's possible those will already be fleshed out by launch.

Easy, when coming from Windows developer experince since 3.0 days, and been burned by the rewrite hell yearly cycle that started with Windows 8.

Now better wait for Windows 12 until they make their mind what Windows desktop APIs are supposed to look like.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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I have to agree, even though I have plenty of pro-Windows comments. To me Windows 11 feels like Vista, and to everyone that got burned with the rewrites on the WinRT side, just using plain Win32/MFC/Forms/WPF feels liberating. Multiple teams are fighting UI politics over WinUI, MAUI on top of WinUI, React Native with WinUI, and classical UWP is not going away (Windows 11 Store is written in it), then ASP.NET team is…

> Multiple teams are fighting UI politics over WinUI, MAUI on top of WinUI, React Native with WinUI, and classical UWP is not going away (Windows 11 Store is written in it), then ASP.NET team is pushing Blazor everywhere including on Web Widgets. Great point. As a developer in the Windows sphere for decades, I'm used to change. However, at this point I have no idea what I am supposed to be developing user interfaces…

If you’re already used to WPF then you can continue using it. You don’t have to switch to something else.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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I have to agree, even though I have plenty of pro-Windows comments. To me Windows 11 feels like Vista, and to everyone that got burned with the rewrites on the WinRT side, just using plain Win32/MFC/Forms/WPF feels liberating. Multiple teams are fighting UI politics over WinUI, MAUI on top of WinUI, React Native with WinUI, and classical UWP is not going away (Windows 11 Store is written in it), then ASP.NET team is…

I think MAUI Blazor App + Blazor Website + shared libs is the way to go.

That’s not clear at all. Blazer is still very niche.
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