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Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by MAGZine »

faeyanpiraat wrote: post #363
john_moscow wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It continues a decades-long tradition where every other Windows version is borderline unusable and universally hated. As long as I remember: * Windows 3.0 was perceived as buggy * Windows 3.1/3.11 was a major improvement * Windows 95 was extremely unreliable * Windows 98 sort of addressed most of the issues * Windows 2000 was a weird amalgamation of the NT kernel and 98/ME look'n'feel that wasn't received well * Wind…

Vista was fine, no idea what's all the hate about.

by the end of its life it was fine, but it took waaaayyy too long to come out, the 64bit support was ahead of its time with no alternative, it was buggy, new access control model was too restrictive (bombarding users with escalation prompts for mundane things), and a bunch of other things that the sands of time caused me to forget.

it was not a great launch. usuable by the end.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by cable2600 »

Just remember the requirements for Windows 11 and know that 90% of the machines out there cannot run it because it needs TPM 2.0 and the latest CPUs to work or even install.

I got $2000 saved up for a Windows 11 Pro PC when they come out, my current PC will get Debian and act as a server.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by cable2600 »

nunez wrote: post #128
userbinator wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. Also known as "the good part"... Everything else about Windows UI since then has only gotten less usable and more hostile.

Seriously. Windows Classic was perfect. Fast, functional, and extremely easy to learn.

If you like Windows classic you'll love ReactOS: https://reactos.org/

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by abandonliberty »

tablespoon wrote: post #369
john_moscow wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It continues a decades-long tradition where every other Windows version is borderline unusable and universally hated. As long as I remember: * Windows 3.0 was perceived as buggy * Windows 3.1/3.11 was a major improvement * Windows 95 was extremely unreliable * Windows 98 sort of addressed most of the issues * Windows 2000 was a weird amalgamation of the NT kernel and 98/ME look'n'feel that wasn't received well * Wind…

> * Windows 10 fixed it Windows 10 is biggest garbage fire POS Windows version yet, because of their new update model. For the last several months , I've been unable to install the mandatory (for non-enterprise users) feature update patches. They fail to install with a cryptic error code and get rolled back. If I don't get this figured out soon, I'm not going to be able to get security patches anymore. I should be ab…

Meanwhile, updates work for me but don't ask for user consent after downloading them.

I just come back to find my PC randomly rebooted overnight.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by eps »

ycuser2 wrote: post #354
john_moscow wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It continues a decades-long tradition where every other Windows version is borderline unusable and universally hated. As long as I remember: * Windows 3.0 was perceived as buggy * Windows 3.1/3.11 was a major improvement * Windows 95 was extremely unreliable * Windows 98 sort of addressed most of the issues * Windows 2000 was a weird amalgamation of the NT kernel and 98/ME look'n'feel that wasn't received well * Wind…

Where's Windows ME?

Didn't fit the narrative.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by selfhoster11 »

faeyanpiraat wrote: post #363
john_moscow wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It continues a decades-long tradition where every other Windows version is borderline unusable and universally hated. As long as I remember: * Windows 3.0 was perceived as buggy * Windows 3.1/3.11 was a major improvement * Windows 95 was extremely unreliable * Windows 98 sort of addressed most of the issues * Windows 2000 was a weird amalgamation of the NT kernel and 98/ME look'n'feel that wasn't received well * Wind…

Vista was fine, no idea what's all the hate about.

Not if you had limited RAM. Less than 4GB was unusable.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by apatheticonion »

john_moscow wrote: post #351
Someone1234 wrote: post #21

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

It continues a decades-long tradition where every other Windows version is borderline unusable and universally hated. As long as I remember: * Windows 3.0 was perceived as buggy * Windows 3.1/3.11 was a major improvement * Windows 95 was extremely unreliable * Windows 98 sort of addressed most of the issues * Windows 2000 was a weird amalgamation of the NT kernel and 98/ME look'n'feel that wasn't received well * Wind…

> Windows 10 fixed it

Good joke. There is nothing I can do in Windows 10 that Windows 7 didn't do better.

From start bar search to window decorations. Windows 10 has actively gotten in the way of what was a great practical experience.

Windows 11 makes the window decorations a little better (still inconsistent with poor design choices), but adding a bunch of crap that I can't opt out of on install (like teams, skype and whatever other bloatware is installed).

I have to use an actual debloating script on fresh Win 10 installs, the script only gets bigger with Windows 11.

Come on Microsoft...

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by jpe90 »

tablespoon wrote: post #369
john_moscow wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It continues a decades-long tradition where every other Windows version is borderline unusable and universally hated. As long as I remember: * Windows 3.0 was perceived as buggy * Windows 3.1/3.11 was a major improvement * Windows 95 was extremely unreliable * Windows 98 sort of addressed most of the issues * Windows 2000 was a weird amalgamation of the NT kernel and 98/ME look'n'feel that wasn't received well * Wind…

> * Windows 10 fixed it Windows 10 is biggest garbage fire POS Windows version yet, because of their new update model. For the last several months , I've been unable to install the mandatory (for non-enterprise users) feature update patches. They fail to install with a cryptic error code and get rolled back. If I don't get this figured out soon, I'm not going to be able to get security patches anymore. I should be ab…

Is a fresh install not an option for the system you're describing? I'm not suggesting that it's a sane thing to have to do, but after a couple of hours of resesrching the problem with no leads it seems like the best choice.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by m_mueller »

pjmlp wrote: post #7

I have to agree, even though I have plenty of pro-Windows comments. To me Windows 11 feels like Vista, and to everyone that got burned with the rewrites on the WinRT side, just using plain Win32/MFC/Forms/WPF feels liberating. Multiple teams are fighting UI politics over WinUI, MAUI on top of WinUI, React Native with WinUI, and classical UWP is not going away (Windows 11 Store is written in it), then ASP.NET team is…

IMO the UI war is settled by now. It‘s either CLI or a web interface of some sort. Everything else just seems like asking for trouble nowadays.
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