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Windows 11: Just say no

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Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by Someone1234 »

babypuncher wrote: post #183
partiallypro wrote: post #124

I have been using Windows 11 as a daily driver and don't really understand people's hostility towards it. It is definitely an upgrade over Windows 10. Comparing it to Vista is nonsensical. I don't agree with a few decisions (like making centering the menu a default?) but most are easily fixed. I would like to see them delay it to fix some problems, but it's possible those will already be fleshed out by launch.

People just don't like change. There will be lots of weeping and wailing an gnashing of teeth, then people will grow accustomed to it. Same happened with 8 and 10. The furor over 8's missing start menu was intense, even though it takes literally seconds to install Classic Shell and get a better start menu than Windows 7 ever had. In 3-4 years the cycle will repeat again with Windows 12.

> People just don't like change.

People don't like clearly unfinished products rushed to market before they're ready.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by belval »

pjmlp wrote: post #105
v413 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

React is slow for the perf targets of VSCode.

React Native != React. Also do you consider that VSCode has higher performance requirements than XBox dashboard, or Office plugins?

No commenting on the React thing, but yes I do think that VSCode has much higher performance requirements than Xbox dashboard or Office plugins.

VSCode has a very technical user base that will complain a lot if there is any kind of sluggish performance when doing live debugging. It's not just to work on small JS projects anymore. I use it to debug CUDA kernels on several processes at the same time and a lot of people have similar push-it-to-the-limit use cases.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by photojosh »

cogman10 wrote: post #64
userbinator wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. Also known as "the good part"... Everything else about Windows UI since then has only gotten less usable and more hostile.

This is what drives me nuts. Why do they keep messing with the UI? Nobody wants that! Even Apple and Google have both figured out that screwing around with UX every release is a recipe for making your customers HATE you. What I, and probably non-power users want out of windows is for it to be faster and use less power. I'd honestly be happy to go back to a Win95 interface with the latest kernel. Microsoft needs to fi…

> Even Apple and Google have both figured out that screwing around with UX every release is a recipe for making your customers HATE you.

No they haven't. I hate Windows and love my Mac, but being forced into an upgrade from High Sierra to Big Sur sucks... a ton of the features I used all the time got buried behind click-and-hold etc.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by amyjess »

harry8 wrote: post #262
amyjess wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Welp, time to start dropping every packet from any Windows Update-related IP block in my router...

Seriously if you're genuine about that it's such a temporary solution. You're saying you can't trust your operating system vendor at all. Start making plans to dump them is really the only sane thing to do at that point.

I use Linux for most things and only boot into Windows for games. Wintendo is a real thing.

I'd like to be able to play the games I want to without worrying about being frog-marched into an OS without a taskbar.

At this point I would settle for a deny-then-allow solution involving dropping any and every packet that's not from the servers of the small handful of online games I play, any well-known wikis that cover the games I play, or any relevant modding sites.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by int_19h »

pjmlp wrote: post #7

I have to agree, even though I have plenty of pro-Windows comments. To me Windows 11 feels like Vista, and to everyone that got burned with the rewrites on the WinRT side, just using plain Win32/MFC/Forms/WPF feels liberating. Multiple teams are fighting UI politics over WinUI, MAUI on top of WinUI, React Native with WinUI, and classical UWP is not going away (Windows 11 Store is written in it), then ASP.NET team is…

The UI war predates WinRT - remember Silverlight? Or, for that matter, WPF itself. So why would you expect it to be over?

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by bobsmooth »

Someone1234 wrote: post #21

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

>Windows Search being objectively worse than the Power Toys Run

'Everything' is a freeware tool that should be installed by every Windows user.

https://www.voidtools.com/

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by speakersPushAir »

armchairhacker wrote: post #207
partiallypro wrote: post #124

I have been using Windows 11 as a daily driver and don't really understand people's hostility towards it. It is definitely an upgrade over Windows 10. Comparing it to Vista is nonsensical. I don't agree with a few decisions (like making centering the menu a default?) but most are easily fixed. I would like to see them delay it to fix some problems, but it's possible those will already be fleshed out by launch.

I’m not hostile towards it, but so far i see no reason to upgrade. What new features does Windows 11 have that Windows 10 doesnt?

A built-in X for WSL

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by ineedasername »

gruez wrote: post #187
ineedasername wrote: post #175

I'm reluctant purely on the basis of MS's track record of every second version since Win '98 being crap: Win 98: good Win ME: bad Win XP: good Win Vista: bad Win 7: good Win 8: bad Win 9... well, #8 was so bad they had to skip a number Win 10: good Win 11: I'm not optimistic. 20+ years predict for badness. I'll wait until either 1) proven wrong or 2) Win 10 is EOL'ed. I just upgraded, but if I need a new system & it…

What about windows 2000, which was also considered "good"? As for windows 10 being good, I'm not so sure. It might be good now, but it was also panned on release and received 12 major updates.

Windows 2000 was not a consumer edition of Windows. I also didn't list server versions either. Up until Vista I don't recall any truly awful NT versions.

As for 10, I liked 7 more. But 10 was still and improvement over 8, so I think the pattern still holds.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by trivialcode »

MomoXenosaga wrote: post #12

Allow me to vent: yesterday windows cumulative update wouldn't install. Fine, Google error code "we recommend an in-place upgrade" I have no belief Windows 11 is going to be better just more of the same.

cmd as admin, sfc /scannow followed by chkdsk /f C: then reboot the PC and try the update again. Works every time for me.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by int_19h »

thrower123 wrote: post #19
pjmlp wrote: post #7

I have to agree, even though I have plenty of pro-Windows comments. To me Windows 11 feels like Vista, and to everyone that got burned with the rewrites on the WinRT side, just using plain Win32/MFC/Forms/WPF feels liberating. Multiple teams are fighting UI politics over WinUI, MAUI on top of WinUI, React Native with WinUI, and classical UWP is not going away (Windows 11 Store is written in it), then ASP.NET team is…

Winforms will never die. If I was looking to make an investment into a skillset that will still be really useful in thirty years, I would go deep on WinForms.

At this point, WPF won't die, either.
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