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Windows 11: Just say no

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Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by david422 »

toss1 wrote: post #145
cogman10 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what drives me nuts. Why do they keep messing with the UI? Nobody wants that! Even Apple and Google have both figured out that screwing around with UX every release is a recipe for making your customers HATE you. What I, and probably non-power users want out of windows is for it to be faster and use less power. I'd honestly be happy to go back to a Win95 interface with the latest kernel. Microsoft needs to fi…

Yup Taskbar can no longer be moved. That single "improvement" will keep me away for as long as possible. It's the first thing I change when setting up a new Windows environment, and have done it for over a decade. I'm enough not alone that I've seen in mentioned in multiple articles. MS makes all kinds of noise about "reworking the UI from the ground up for true usability" or some such. Yet I have no idea what could…

I have the taskbar on the left on Mac, Linux, and Windows. Removing this customization makes me wonder who the hell makes these decisions. Do Windows developers not dogfood their own OS? Apparently the person making these decisions only uses the taskbar on the bottom and it must be good enough to disrupt the workstations of millions I'm sure.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by jussij »

Microsoft told the world Windows 10 would be the last version of Windows, but we now have Windows 11 meaning that earlier idea is dead in the water.

Seeing how badly Windows 11 has been received, it looks like Windows 11 is turning into the new Windows Vista.

If Microsoft fails to turn around that perception, they'll need a Windows 12 just to hide the smells produced by this release.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by rainbowzootsuit »

mypalmike wrote: post #151
GuB-42 wrote: post #147

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I think I've seen an old article by a Microsoft employee saying "if you didn't change the UI, you changed nothing". They used the calculator as an example, saying that it saw several improvements but since it always looked the same, people thought nothing had changed. Improvements included things like better arithmetics, so that (10/3-3)*3=1.

Dream job: full time engineer on Windows Calculator team.

The Graphing Calculator Story

https://www.pacifict.com/Story/

For the non-reader:

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Google Tech Talk

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Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by cr__ »

kodeninja wrote: post #188
prox wrote: post #173

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Looks like the “every odd release is terrible” tradition is still strong in Microsoft.

Not been on Win for a long time, but isn't Win 7 generally regarded as the best/most stable?

Odd like “every other release”, not “is the version number not divisible by 2”

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by SamuelAdams »

the_solenoid wrote: post #22

I... have been using win11 on a few machines (gaming and a work/coding computer included) and... it's just a reskin with some long overdue features. The way MS does updates now means no more huge monolithic releases and also means the update is smooth and mostly problem free. It even updates the windows sandbox (which has needed an update for YEARS) which might be worth it by itself.

Just curious, what are 5 new features that you find useful?

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

cogman10 wrote: post #64
userbinator wrote: post #26

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and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. Also known as "the good part"... Everything else about Windows UI since then has only gotten less usable and more hostile.

This is what drives me nuts. Why do they keep messing with the UI? Nobody wants that! Even Apple and Google have both figured out that screwing around with UX every release is a recipe for making your customers HATE you. What I, and probably non-power users want out of windows is for it to be faster and use less power. I'd honestly be happy to go back to a Win95 interface with the latest kernel. Microsoft needs to fi…

Dunno about that, at least as far as Google is concerned. I was initially put off by the changes to Android (moving from 9ish to 11) because they took away the bottom control bar, but I've used it for a week and am completely comfortable with it now. The gestures are intuitive and easy to use.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by User23 »

cogman10 wrote: post #64
userbinator wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. Also known as "the good part"... Everything else about Windows UI since then has only gotten less usable and more hostile.

This is what drives me nuts. Why do they keep messing with the UI? Nobody wants that! Even Apple and Google have both figured out that screwing around with UX every release is a recipe for making your customers HATE you. What I, and probably non-power users want out of windows is for it to be faster and use less power. I'd honestly be happy to go back to a Win95 interface with the latest kernel. Microsoft needs to fi…

> This is what drives me nuts. Why do they keep messing with the UI?

This is a general problem with corporate developed commercial software. Nobody ever got promoted by saying, "this is great, let's not change it."

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by oxipital »

The amount of kvetching and unneeded stress over what is basically a UI overhaul is astounding.

If your computer doesn’t run it then it’s moot. If you’re not interested in the UI overhaul don’t install. But neither case requires the amount of wahh that were seeing.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by verve_rat »

kodeninja wrote: post #188
prox wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like the “every odd release is terrible” tradition is still strong in Microsoft.

Not been on Win for a long time, but isn't Win 7 generally regarded as the best/most stable?

I think they mean 'odd' as in 'every second one' rather than odd version number.

E.g: 11 - bad, 10 - good, 8 - bad, 7 - good, Vista - bad, XP - good, etc, etc.

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