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Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

pjmlp wrote: post #77
Someone1234 wrote: post #21

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

As I commented in another parts of this thread, you see that quite clearly in the mess of multiple teams, each advocating their own UI framework as the future of WIndows UI, as if they were the only team doing it. It is like management let them all roam free and let the best one win.

That might have worked, if they had let the best one win. Instead, they treated the teams like a buffet - I'll take this app from this team, and that app from that team... and the result is, as you say, a mess.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

Someone1234 wrote: post #21

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

> ... someone picked up an iPad...

Love the burn.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by dylan604 »

GoblinSlayer wrote: post #93
heurisko wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was trying to check Disk Partitions on Windows 10, so typed this into the search. It gave me a website with some freeware tool. I had to search around again until I found the actual system tool. I don't know what a regular user would have done. I'm not really a Windows user.

It's diskmgmt.msc, you can just run it the unix way.

By editing a text file?

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by dylan604 »

dstaley wrote: post #129
Someone1234 wrote: post #21

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

> The app to check if you're ready for Windows 11 is a "preview" less than 30 days before the FULL retail release of Windows 11 Unless something has changed recently, I believe the release of Windows 11 will only be for newly purchased devices. The update from Windows 10 to 11 won't be until sometime next year.

Why does this sound eerily familiar to Vista?

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by toss1 »

cogman10 wrote: post #64
userbinator wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. Also known as "the good part"... Everything else about Windows UI since then has only gotten less usable and more hostile.

This is what drives me nuts. Why do they keep messing with the UI? Nobody wants that! Even Apple and Google have both figured out that screwing around with UX every release is a recipe for making your customers HATE you. What I, and probably non-power users want out of windows is for it to be faster and use less power. I'd honestly be happy to go back to a Win95 interface with the latest kernel. Microsoft needs to fi…

Yup

Taskbar can no longer be moved.

That single "improvement" will keep me away for as long as possible. It's the first thing I change when setting up a new Windows environment, and have done it for over a decade. I'm enough not alone that I've seen in mentioned in multiple articles.

MS makes all kinds of noise about "reworking the UI from the ground up for true usability" or some such. Yet I have no idea what could possibly be the benefit to removing such functionality. MS says they listen, but obviously not.

Unless a developer has a massive and utterly revolutionary improvement in the way we interact with the machine, and it yields 10X productivity improvements (or even 3X) for 90% of the user base - fkn leave it alone!!

Marginal improvements are the worst - the time spent relearning, or fumbling while using a different machine is never recovered, and it just makes people annoyed at you. Even if the improvements are "free" the price is too high.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by krona »

jason0597 wrote: post #126
olah_1 wrote: post #49

Proton[1] is the reason my next machine will be Linux. [1]: https://www.protondb.com/

Honestly, the Linux desktop experience has come so far in the past 10 years. Sure I don't think it's perfect, but it's nowhere near as bad as it was in 2008 where Windows was still king and Linux had bugs everywhere in every distro and every desktop environment. I think people should seriously consider Linux now if they can't take anymore of Microsoft's shit

Anecdotal, but I have a 2015 Lenovo X1 Carbon running Ubuntu 20 (gnome 3.38), a 2020 MBP and a 2019 MS Surface Laptop 3 (windows 10).

The recent Gnome experience on hardware half a decade older than the Surface laptop is so much snappier than Windows. I dred MacOS and Windows updates these days but I'm generally very pleased with updates to Ubuntu/Gnome.

Furthermore everything just works, too, which is what I grew up to expect from Windows, but literally yesterday the Surface laptop bricked itself installing an update. I have daily problems using Windows with WSL, too. It's infuriating.

I used to feel stable and assured using Windows, but these days Windows is an endless labyrinth of dialog boxes, it's hard to comprehend how anyone could take it seriously any longer. Maybe I'm getting old.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by GuB-42 »

squarefoot wrote: post #115
cogman10 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what drives me nuts. Why do they keep messing with the UI? Nobody wants that! Even Apple and Google have both figured out that screwing around with UX every release is a recipe for making your customers HATE you. What I, and probably non-power users want out of windows is for it to be faster and use less power. I'd honestly be happy to go back to a Win95 interface with the latest kernel. Microsoft needs to fi…

> Why do they keep messing with the UI? The UI that remains unchanged in a few years is perceived as old and obsolete, hence the purely marketing driven need to change it even when it works. And then there are new courses and new support contracts. Governments are a significant part of MS customer base; every time MS changes something, it's new money pouring in. As someone once said, Windows is not an operating syste…

I think I've seen an old article by a Microsoft employee saying "if you didn't change the UI, you changed nothing".

They used the calculator as an example, saying that it saw several improvements but since it always looked the same, people thought nothing had changed. Improvements included things like better arithmetics, so that (10/3-3)*3=1.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by greggturkington »

thrower123 wrote: post #59
EMM_386 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Multiple teams are fighting UI politics over WinUI, MAUI on top of WinUI, React Native with WinUI, and classical UWP is not going away (Windows 11 Store is written in it), then ASP.NET team is pushing Blazor everywhere including on Web Widgets. Great point. As a developer in the Windows sphere for decades, I'm used to change. However, at this point I have no idea what I am supposed to be developing user interfaces…

VS Code is like the absolute greatest Electron app that has ever, or will ever be written. And yet it had an issue for quite some time where animating the cursor flashing was taking an enormous percentage of CPU.

To be fair it was partially related to a bug in Chromium, and was fixed in 2017

https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/issues/22900

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by Paianni »

jnsaff2 wrote: post #54
pjmlp wrote: post #7

I have to agree, even though I have plenty of pro-Windows comments. To me Windows 11 feels like Vista, and to everyone that got burned with the rewrites on the WinRT side, just using plain Win32/MFC/Forms/WPF feels liberating. Multiple teams are fighting UI politics over WinUI, MAUI on top of WinUI, React Native with WinUI, and classical UWP is not going away (Windows 11 Store is written in it), then ASP.NET team is…

This is M$ doing its tik-tok releases. XP - decent Vista - horrorshow 7 - alright (compared to vista) 8 - horrorshow 10 - alright (compared to 8) 11 - horrorshow Personally I will never use it unless I really need to and then kicking and screaming but that is my observation.

Eh, I don't agree.

NT 3.51 — solid

NT 4.0, 2000 & XP — less, less and less solid

Vista — premature

7 — ok

8 — borked

10 & 11 — untouchable

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

throwawaysea wrote: post #13

This article seems to be making a point that you shouldn't upgrade to Windows 11 right now , since you might be encounter problems that result from the upgrade. But I have bigger apprehensions about Windows 11 than just that. Windows 11 feels like the culmination of a push to turn Windows into a walled garden service rather than a utilitarian operating system for generic computing devices. Dark patterns like forced l…

>lack of hardware support

Lol, this might be a chance for linux to outshine windows in hardware support.

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