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Windows 11: Just say no

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Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by hef19898 »

throwawaysea wrote: post #13

This article seems to be making a point that you shouldn't upgrade to Windows 11 right now , since you might be encounter problems that result from the upgrade. But I have bigger apprehensions about Windows 11 than just that. Windows 11 feels like the culmination of a push to turn Windows into a walled garden service rather than a utilitarian operating system for generic computing devices. Dark patterns like forced l…

I had the same feelings about Linux. Turned out Ubuntu runs just fine on the certified hardware from Lenovo, and personally I trust Ubuntu as much in terms of security updates as I trust MS.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by heurisko »

Someone1234 wrote: post #21

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

I was trying to check Disk Partitions on Windows 10, so typed this into the search.

It gave me a website with some freeware tool. I had to search around again until I found the actual system tool. I don't know what a regular user would have done.

I'm not really a Windows user.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by hef19898 »

CitrusFruits wrote: post #30
hef19898 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Got my first Linux machine because of that, partially at least. I like an OS, for which I don't need an account, that just runs on hardware I own.

Found this out the other day: you can have local only accounts for Windows, although it's pretty hidden nowadays. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/can-i-sign-in-to... (Search in the page "Switch from a Microsoft account to a local account")

Good call! Too late for me now so, especially since the majority of my Steam library is running just fine under Linux. Maybe for some online stuff, Teams for potential home schooling and so. The fact that local accounts are hidden sucks in itself so. I will keep Windows on my private laptop so, just in case. Not that I am going to upgrade to Win 11 so.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by svnpenn »

Honestly, I would have just stayed with Windows 7, if not for Windows Terminal [1]. The Unicode support and ANSI escape code support is a big improvement. However I was not eager to upgrade, as people reported over and over all the privacy and telemetry issues. I have turned off all Windows Updates, and ideally I wont be upgrading Windows for a long, long time.

1. https://github.com/microsoft/terminal

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by CitrusFruits »

jbuhbjlnjbn wrote: post #6
Zanni wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they're referring to the subhead, "In a few weeks, Windows 11 will arrive. Should you upgrade to it? Let me answer with a question: 'Should you stop hitting your head against the wall?'" which is not only challenging to parse but (as I read it) contradicts the headline.

That's what i meant, thanks.

(Native U.S. English speaker here) As far as I cant tell, the subtext for that heading/sub-heading pairing would suggest that users currently considering upgrading to Windows 10 are currently doing the equivalent of hitting their heads against a wall, which once again I don't think quite fits the narrative of the article.

In my opinion, it's just a poorly chosen subheading.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by jjoonathan »

heurisko wrote: post #33
Someone1234 wrote: post #21

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

I was trying to check Disk Partitions on Windows 10, so typed this into the search. It gave me a website with some freeware tool. I had to search around again until I found the actual system tool. I don't know what a regular user would have done. I'm not really a Windows user.

My favorite is when I see the result I want flash by and then I accidentally type the next character -- correctly -- due to momentum, and the result disappears. Then I delete the last character in an attempt to bring back the result, and then I try retyping the whole thing, but the correct result never reappears. It is gone. Only useless web results remain.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by mikestew »

Aperocky wrote: post #25
obloid wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been using Linux as my primary OS for about a year now and have had a great experience [Manjaro KDE on a ThinkPad T14s AMD]. It's really so much more pleasant to use than windows these days. On rare occasion I need to be able to use RemoteApp for work, and have a win10 VirtualBox machine for those situations. Though I actually boot into windows even less than I thought I might when I first switched.

> so much more pleasant to use than windows Is there anything in contention with windows in that regard? Maybe the mobile OSes?

In what regard? In being unpleasant to use? No, I believe modern Windows to be singular in its unpleasantness.

In seriousness, though, try as I might I can't seem to parse your first sentence even using my "native English speaker" plug-in.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by Causality1 »

You know I used to follow Windows news rabidly. The new features were incredible, I looked forward to every release. Somewhere around the time Microsoft added a lock screen to a desktop computer without going "only joking, haha", I started dreading every update.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by EMM_386 »

pjmlp wrote: post #7

I have to agree, even though I have plenty of pro-Windows comments. To me Windows 11 feels like Vista, and to everyone that got burned with the rewrites on the WinRT side, just using plain Win32/MFC/Forms/WPF feels liberating. Multiple teams are fighting UI politics over WinUI, MAUI on top of WinUI, React Native with WinUI, and classical UWP is not going away (Windows 11 Store is written in it), then ASP.NET team is…

> Multiple teams are fighting UI politics over WinUI, MAUI on top of WinUI, React Native with WinUI, and classical UWP is not going away (Windows 11 Store is written in it), then ASP.NET team is pushing Blazor everywhere including on Web Widgets.

Great point.

As a developer in the Windows sphere for decades, I'm used to change.

However, at this point I have no idea what I am supposed to be developing user interfaces in. Honestly, using VS Code daily as part of my stack I'm leaning towards just accepting that WebView2/Electron/etc is the future.

I have read the complaints, but VS Code is a solid piece of engineering and it "just works". If that's an example of what we can easily get cross-platform, so be it.

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