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Windows 11: Just say no

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Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#11
post #9

Maybe it has better security, but it has worse privacy. Windows 10 is my last MS OS. Heading back to Linux as my daily driver with a System 76 machine.

Got my first Linux machine because of that, partially at least. I like an OS, for which I don't need an account, that just runs on hardware I own.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#13
This article seems to be making a point that you shouldn't upgrade to Windows 11 right now, since you might be encounter problems that result from the upgrade. But I have bigger apprehensions about Windows 11 than just that. Windows 11 feels like the culmination of a push to turn Windows into a walled garden service rather than a utilitarian operating system for generic computing devices. Dark patterns like forced logins, pop-ups tips, ads (https://www.xda-developers.com/microsoft-breaks-windows-11-b...), a lack of hardware support (https://www.pcgamer.com/how-the-hell-is-microsoft-already-sc...), and so on make me feel like it is time to move on from Windows.

At the same time, there isn't a good alternative for everyday use. Although I would consider myself reasonably tech savvy, I can't say I am comfortable enough to use Linux as a daily driver and to trust that I am using it securely, as compared to taking updates with one click from Microsoft or Apple. Maybe my perception is wrong, but we really need better educational resources to teach people and get them comfortable with computing infrastructure (hardware/software/services) from outside the big tech vendors.

Leaving that aside, I am not sure what Microsoft's larger strategy is. It feels to me like they're trying to be more like Apple at times. But if that's the case, why would I use Microsoft? Apple is already very good at being Apple and has better software and hardware for such an experience.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#14
post #7

I have to agree, even though I have plenty of pro-Windows comments. To me Windows 11 feels like Vista, and to everyone that got burned with the rewrites on the WinRT side, just using plain Win32/MFC/Forms/WPF feels liberating. Multiple teams are fighting UI politics over WinUI, MAUI on top of WinUI, React Native with WinUI, and classical UWP is not going away (Windows 11 Store is written in it), then ASP.NET team is…

I migrated from Win32 to Qt two years ago. Never looked back. Much easier to program dialogs & UI. Qt gives you macOS as well. (And UWP if you insist).

WinRT is the OS/2 of the 21st century.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#15
Mostly, I'm simply not interested in upgrading because what I have works. I spend so little time thinking about my operating system itself these days that I'm a hard sell on value-add in replacing any aspect of it.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#16
post #9

Maybe it has better security, but it has worse privacy. Windows 10 is my last MS OS. Heading back to Linux as my daily driver with a System 76 machine.

I just fired up a Win10 machine for the first time in some while in order to run specific software.

Good gawd. It was finally useful about 4 hours later after all the updates and tomfoolery. Never again.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#17
post #9

Maybe it has better security, but it has worse privacy. Windows 10 is my last MS OS. Heading back to Linux as my daily driver with a System 76 machine.

I've been using Linux as my primary OS for about a year now and have had a great experience [Manjaro KDE on a ThinkPad T14s AMD]. It's really so much more pleasant to use than windows these days.

On rare occasion I need to be able to use RemoteApp for work, and have a win10 VirtualBox machine for those situations. Though I actually boot into windows even less than I thought I might when I first switched.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#18
I have a couple of almost identical Ryzen 3700x machines. One has an Nvidia card, the other has a radeon 5700. One runs Ubuntu, the other is Manjaro. The Radeon was barely usable for anything vulkan until well into 2020. Even Valve's own Half-Life: Alyx needed a month until it was just as good on Linux

It is Q4 2021 now and can't remember the last time I felt the need to boot from my windows SSD.

My wife used to be against Linux but even she doesn't want to deal with windows 10 these days. She has noticed how bad the software on her laptop is and agrees our Linux desktops are easier to deal with.

I would've completely given up on windows a decade earlier if it wasn't for gaming. What it took was to for MS to scare Gaben. Oh, the irony

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#19
post #7

I have to agree, even though I have plenty of pro-Windows comments. To me Windows 11 feels like Vista, and to everyone that got burned with the rewrites on the WinRT side, just using plain Win32/MFC/Forms/WPF feels liberating. Multiple teams are fighting UI politics over WinUI, MAUI on top of WinUI, React Native with WinUI, and classical UWP is not going away (Windows 11 Store is written in it), then ASP.NET team is…

Winforms will never die. If I was looking to make an investment into a skillset that will still be really useful in thirty years, I would go deep on WinForms.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#20

Am I alone in assuming they'll just do the Windows 10 unwanted upgrade, again, when 11 adoption rate isn't where they want it to be? Choice doesn't matter to these mega corps, so long as we use their stores and view their ads. Thank god for Gnu and Linux!

I agree. There is a lot of fear mongering coming out of Microsoft now, like their "we can't promise security upgrades" for people who ISO install on unsupported hardware.
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