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Is there a lawsuit to make GM take back the cars? This is ridiculous.
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Yes, but an important part of that context is that electric car fires also burn longer and hotter and take significantly more effort to put out. Too little water can actually make the fire worse. Annecdotally, my recollection from other articles is that electric cars do in fact catch on fire less often. But it also seems like they may be more difficult to deal with. This may change as EV's become more mainstream & fi…
> For the time being, rare or not, they post a much larger problem to deal with when they do occur. It seems to me that being harder to put off but occurring less frequently, and most importantly not exploding (leaving significant amount of time for occupants to get out, if they are able) is a pretty good trade off.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2019-04-22/tesla-inves...
Thing went from 0 to 110 real quick.
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I’ve never heard of a gas tank spontaneously bursting into flames.
There are about 160,000 fires involving personal internal combustion engine vehicles per year.
Which makes me wonder, how would an EV handle the same poor driving conditions?
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I think the key word there was "spontaneous", along with the relative danger and difficulty of dealing with them. An EV fire can take 24 hours to secure. A gasoline car takes about 300 gallons of water. I'm not saying EV fires are a bigger issue than gasoline cars. I'm saying that you cannot look merely at incident rate to determine the issue.
I would say that's an advantage for EVs. I'd rather have fires that are slow to start and slow to put out than the opposite.
I would think the well publicized early failures of large Lithium ion battery technology (787 burning down while docked at a gate, the various Tesla fires and Samsung Note phones being banned from planes) would have taught enough lessons to eliminate these risks in the future. I haven't dug into the details of the "manufacturing defect" at LG's battery plants - seems like a failure in Quality Control. I also don't kn…
Anyone know who's financially responsible in cases like that? LG, GM, or shared between the two? I've heard the recall is in excess of 1 billion.
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How many of those are due to the ICE? In my experience most vehicle fires are electrical in nature, whether it's an EV or not (the 12v system in an ICE car can still cause a fire).
Ethanol gasoline degrades older vehicle's rubber fuel lines, This has lead to many fuel fires.
My perception of American designed and engineered vehicles is that they’re really awful, not just from a reliability standpoint but also from a user interface standpoint. GM, Ford, and Chrysler haven’t been building good vehicles in my lifetime - once I switched to Hondas I’ve yet to have any serious engine trouble even in some very old vehicles, whereas every American car I’ve owned has been a money sink. Of course…
The cells for the bolt were made in Korea though, right?
If I was a big automaker with a huge investment in internal combustion engines and I wanted to instill FUD around electric cars, this is exactly how I'd do it.
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The Volt isn't made any more, for one. And it's smaller (lower to the ground, at least, and less head clearance). I wasn't comfortable in the Volt, but the Bolt is great.
buying a new car is generally antithetical to buying a sustainable car
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These cars just became a lot less useful.