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GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

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Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is the Volt an "arm and a leg beyond" a Model 3?

Price and panel gaps

My Model Y, delivered within the last few weeks, has no panel gaps (edit: the panel gaps, measured with an $8 tool at delivery, are within spec). It was delivered in perfect condition and is garage safe. I can even park next to other cars safely.

Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

#42
Maybe lithium-ion batteries in mass-market vehicles aren't such a good idea. We may need a battery technology that can survive poor maintenance less than perfect battery construction, and low-cost vehicle designs. Tesla had to put a titanium plate under their battery. That's not a mass-market solution.

BYD is converting over to lithium iron phosphate, which is much better behaved when damaged. Toyota is working on solid state batteries, which hopefully don't catch fire.

The NYFD reports over 55 electric bike and scooter fires so far this year.[1] Two deaths, 60 injuries, including 18 firefighters. Fires destroying electric bike shops are a thing, with one fire expanding to all the batteries around. All we need now is for a cascade auto battery fire in a parking lot. Or, worst case, a garage under a building.

Boosted skateboards used to use lithium iron phosphate, but were just too expensive.

[1] https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-e-bike-sco...

Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

#43

So what is a family with a two car garage supposed to do, park the Bolt a block away? This seems like the kind of thing GM should get wayyyy in front of with a very generous offer to buy back the cars as a trade towards another GM model.

The article says they've announced a recall, so I assume this advice is for people who have chosen not to send the car back yet.

edit: no, I'm confused. From another article:

> The Detroit automaker has recalled all of the roughly 142,000 Bolts sold since 2016 because the battery can catch on fire. GM has taken a $1.8 billion charge so far for the cost of the recall and has been buying cars back from some disgruntled owners.

[...]

> GM has said that when it is confident that LG Chem can produce defect-free battery modules, GM will notify Bolt owners in writing and repairs will begin. Once a repair is made, GM will provide an eight-year/100,000 mile warranty on it. In the meantime, GM has assured Bolt owners that if they follow three steps, the cars should be safe

So they're not ready to repair them yet, but it's unclear whether everyone has the option of a buyback or not. If not, I don't understand how they can be said to have 'recalled' all the cars.

Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

#45
post #3

Is there a lawsuit to make GM take back the cars? This is ridiculous.

GM issued a recall for all bolts a month ago.

Right, but if you’re unfamiliar with car terminology, “recall” means “error we will fix”. So it doesn’t mean they’ll buy it back, just that you’re entitled to a manufacturer fix at their cost when they have availability.

Some Bolt folks want a buyback. Seems unlikely.

Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

#46
post #2

This so reminds me of Barry Seals asking people to stand back everytime he started his car.

Because it might be wired to a bomb?

Rather than dealing with the actual problem, let's go out of our way to limit the collateral damage of what we know is eventually going to happen.

Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

#47

So what is a family with a two car garage supposed to do, park the Bolt a block away? This seems like the kind of thing GM should get wayyyy in front of with a very generous offer to buy back the cars as a trade towards another GM model.

If a Bolt owner without a permanent garage spot can manage, then certainly a Bolt owner with a permanent garage spot can manage. The latter has strictly more options than the former.

Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

#48

I would think the well publicized early failures of large Lithium ion battery technology (787 burning down while docked at a gate, the various Tesla fires and Samsung Note phones being banned from planes) would have taught enough lessons to eliminate these risks in the future. I haven't dug into the details of the "manufacturing defect" at LG's battery plants - seems like a failure in Quality Control. I also don't kn…

Anyone know who's financially responsible in cases like that? LG, GM, or shared between the two? I've heard the recall is in excess of 1 billion.

Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

#49
Luckily we have a solution to the huge issues with batteries and we've had it since 1883: overhead wires. Not practical with cars but cars aren't practical in a societal sense in cities (too much pollution, even from electric cars, take far too much sates, too much noise, etc.)

Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

#50
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Price and panel gaps

The panel gaps and misalignment ive seen online for Teslas are still better than the general fit and finish issues that plague every single GM car I been in. Massive chunks of messy rubber foam, obvious joiners, bad internal panels... Maybe Tesla is not as tight as BMW, but it is definitely better than GM.

The Bolt isn't priced like a BMW though, while the Tesla is.

Even the Model 3, with it's base price of $35k, runs you around $50k after choosing a color and adding the FSD package.

For a $50,000 car, they are really not built well, quality-wise.

The Bolt, with every bell and whistle selected, runs about $37,000, for comparison.

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