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GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

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Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

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So what is a family with a two car garage supposed to do, park the Bolt a block away? This seems like the kind of thing GM should get wayyyy in front of with a very generous offer to buy back the cars as a trade towards another GM model.

Sell the other car

Edit: or get a rubber car to counteract

Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

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> The automaker told Bolt owners to limit the charge to 90 percent, plug in more frequently and avoid depleting the battery to below about 70 miles of remaining range. Tesla's approach here would be to issue an OTA update that told your car to treat 90% as 100% and 25% as 0. I can't decide if I like that better or worse.

They should have limited the charge from the beginning. No way the engineers didn’t realize deep cycling is bad for the battery.

> They should have limited the charge from the beginning. No way the engineers didn’t realize deep cycling is bad for the battery.

Have you even read up on the manufacturing faults behind this? It's a cell manufacturing robot alignment problem that went unnoticed, not a deep cycling problem.

Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

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Reminder that CA is planning to ban ICE vehicles by 2035: https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/09/23/governor-newsom-announces-... Do you feel ready for that? I don’t…

Banning NEW* ICE vehicles, where medium and heavy duty vehicles are still by 2045. Honestly we need to push that up a decade by atleast phasing out non-hybrids. Still have people buying and factories making 15mpg Dodge Challengers that will be running the next 20 years, when they can afford the zero emission alternatives...

Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

#34

So what is a family with a two car garage supposed to do, park the Bolt a block away? This seems like the kind of thing GM should get wayyyy in front of with a very generous offer to buy back the cars as a trade towards another GM model.

Some owners have successfully gotten Bolt buybacks. Of course with the car shortage that might mean not getting a replacement car immediately.

Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is the Volt an "arm and a leg beyond" a Model 3?

Price and panel gaps

The panel gaps and misalignment ive seen online for Teslas are still better than the general fit and finish issues that plague every single GM car I been in. Massive chunks of messy rubber foam, obvious joiners, bad internal panels...

Maybe Tesla is not as tight as BMW, but it is definitely better than GM.

Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

#37

So what is a family with a two car garage supposed to do, park the Bolt a block away? This seems like the kind of thing GM should get wayyyy in front of with a very generous offer to buy back the cars as a trade towards another GM model.

People park their car in their garage?

Everyone knows the garage is for storing the treadmill you never use.

Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I heard really good things about the EV mustang from Ford. I wouldn't take this to be representative of EVs in general, but rather a remark on GM.

Is it GM or LG for making bunk batteries? TFA clearly states that GM believes they will be recouping this money from LG.

Both really. The problem is supposed to have been caused by misaligned robots at LG's factories:

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/08/misaligned-factory-robo...

But the fault of both GM and LG is that they weren't able to detect the problem sooner.

Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

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> The automaker told Bolt owners to limit the charge to 90 percent, plug in more frequently and avoid depleting the battery to below about 70 miles of remaining range. Tesla's approach here would be to issue an OTA update that told your car to treat 90% as 100% and 25% as 0. I can't decide if I like that better or worse.

> I can't decide if I like that better or worse.

It's a really good question. Let's think about it.

As you've outlined it, Tesla's approach prioritizes the user's confidence in the product, rather than the user's knowledge about the product.

Naturally, when a product is faulty, the user's confidence in the product is inversely proportional to their knowledge about the fault; the less I know about the fault, the more unshaken is my confidence in the product.

So I guess it comes down to this: when a product fails, would you prefer to react with "wow, how unexpected" or "figures"?

Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

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I would think the well publicized early failures of large Lithium ion battery technology (787 burning down while docked at a gate, the various Tesla fires and Samsung Note phones being banned from planes) would have taught enough lessons to eliminate these risks in the future. I haven't dug into the details of the "manufacturing defect" at LG's battery plants - seems like a failure in Quality Control. I also don't kn…

I've heard that this is the reason that all the future major lithium ion companies have already been founded. Learning all the really hard lessons about QC and how to prevent fires and defects takes more experience and knowledge and time than any new competitor could devote to catching up.

That’s not how these industries work. The new kids on the block start with talent, largely hired from the more established players.
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