Shitty sudden turn against the no-turn sign without using a turn signal aside, why was it turning right at all when the route showed it going straight for another several blocks and then turning left?
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Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn
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Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn
#62Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
> California Vehicle Code This is Seattle, under the monorail (5th Ave).
You're right and I noted the section of the washington state driving code that applies. I'm pretty sure that every state in the US has a variant of this same law and picking the wrong one doesn't matter for the purposes of this thread.
Sure, but it's weird to bring up CA vehicle law, specifically, when it's completely irrelevant. You could have made the broader point without the irrelevant detail.
Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn
#64I believe that it is not illegal to turn right there. Both streets are one way, and the "no right turn" sign is for the lanes to the left of the pillars. For context, these pillars in the middle of the road are handled poorly by Tesla FSD and this guy is repeatedly stress testing the system by forcing it to drive there, for YouTube videos. The latest FSD build is the first one that actually recognizes the pillars as…
It is illegal to turn right there without signaling though.
> What I'm speculating happened here is the new obstacle detection failed and decided that the road ahead was blocked
Know what would be able to tell if the road ahead is blocked? Literally any kind of three dimensional sensing that isn't just single frame image object classification. It's a real shame that no one knows how to do that...
Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn
#65Shitty sudden turn against the no-turn sign without using a turn signal aside, why was it turning right at all when the route showed it going straight for another several blocks and then turning left?
I've dealt with similar but less extreme behavior in lane keeping systems where it senses the right-side reference veering away so it "corrects" and follows, causing a veer to the right, so it might not have been trying to turn but instead drive next to the crosswalk at the same distance it was from the curb. Regardless of what happened, that's a really bad bug to have.
Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn
#66If you have to anxiously hover your hands over the wheel constantly like the driver is in this video, is it really helpful even if it doesn't crash? I don't own a Tesla, curious how other drivers are when on Autopilot.
The cognitive load of using FSD in a city honestly seems more than driving yourself. The car is no longer an extension of yourself, where you navigate the road carefully. Instead you are constantly trying to predict and determine if FSD is going to screw up, and how to quickly react to said screw up.
The way it fails is non intuitive too, reposting this list of videos from below:
https://twitter.com/28delayslater/status/1437866328950517768...
https://twitter.com/BS__Exposed/status/1437367617468129280?s...
https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1437385266046586890?s=...
https://twitter.com/bagguley/status/1437328015789367297?s=20
https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1437405124004089863?s=...
https://twitter.com/BS__Exposed/status/1437043592560791552?s...
https://twitter.com/bagguley/status/1437048381042475008?s=20
https://twitter.com/BS__Exposed/status/1436806907663159299?s...
Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn
#67Maybe I’m missing something but what I saw is common with human drivers (myself included) as well.
I.e. pedestrian at corner sees car and stops, driver sees pedestrian and proceeds into turn because pedestrian is stopped at corner, pedestrian doesn’t wait and starts crossing while driver is still turning because they’re in a hurry, driver panics and slams brakes. Just seems like life at the corner of an intersection in a busy city to me?
Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn
#68This is in Seattle, on 5th ave. The concrete pillars are the monorail track. The street confused me driving as a human sometimes. There are more videos of the Tesla software being confused on this particular street floating around
I thought that street looked familiar. There was a twitter thread[0] discussed[1] about two months ago showing a failure along the same street.
Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn
#69Shitty sudden turn against the no-turn sign without using a turn signal aside, why was it turning right at all when the route showed it going straight for another several blocks and then turning left?
I've dealt with similar but less extreme behavior in lane keeping systems where it senses the right-side reference veering away so it "corrects" and follows, causing a veer to the right, so it might not have been trying to turn but instead drive next to the crosswalk at the same distance it was from the curb. Regardless of what happened, that's a really bad bug to have.
Interesting. This could explain why it doesn't signal. But honestly even veering like that should elicit a turn signal to notify other drivers of the move.
Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn
#70Why is everyone freaking out over a beta test with a driver at the wheel ready to take over immediately? It's a beta test, finding bugs is kind of the point. Or have we truly reached the point now where we expect "stable" software to be of the same calibre as beta software so nobody makes a distinction between the two?
Because it’s a 5000 lb weapon and the pedestrians didn’t consent to the beta.
I see people making similar mistakes pretty frequently. Not trying to excuse beta testing this software with live pedestrians (like, why on earth did it not signal? What was it's planning software doing?), but humans make this mistake too