Misleading/Exaggerated HN title. Not an illegal turn. No turn sign applies to the left lane, and it's a one way street
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Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Not an illegal turn. [edit] I linked to the law from the wrong state. Here's the right one: https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61.305 RCWs > Title 46 > Chapter 46.61 > Section 46.61.305 (1) No person shall turn a vehicle or move right or left upon a roadway unless and until such movement can be made with reasonable safety nor without giving an appropriate signal in the manner hereinafter provided. (2)…
This is pedantic. Human drivers routinely don’t use their turn signals.
What is the end-game here? What do you possibly want to argue? The car was perfectly aware it was making a turn, but decided to not use the turn signal because.. peer pressure?
It's baffling.
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#53Misleading/Exaggerated HN title. Not an illegal turn. No turn sign applies to the left lane, and it's a one way street
> Not an illegal turn. [edit] I linked to the law from the wrong state. Here's the right one: https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61.305 RCWs > Title 46 > Chapter 46.61 > Section 46.61.305 (1) No person shall turn a vehicle or move right or left upon a roadway unless and until such movement can be made with reasonable safety nor without giving an appropriate signal in the manner hereinafter provided. (2)…
> California Vehicle Code
This is Seattle, under the monorail (5th Ave).
Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn
#54Shitty sudden turn against the no-turn sign without using a turn signal aside, why was it turning right at all when the route showed it going straight for another several blocks and then turning left?
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#55This is in Seattle, on 5th ave. The concrete pillars are the monorail track. The street confused me driving as a human sometimes. There are more videos of the Tesla software being confused on this particular street floating around
This street slightly confuses me, too, but I've never decided to suddenly and without signaling dive into the crosswalk when pedestrians were in it.
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#56If you have to anxiously hover your hands over the wheel constantly like the driver is in this video, is it really helpful even if it doesn't crash? I don't own a Tesla, curious how other drivers are when on Autopilot.
Recently got a Tesla without Full Self Driving (FSD) for many reasons (it's $10k for a full install as one). Autopilot is now like a product name that has several features and FSD is a different beast. Within Autopilot, there's an Autosteer (Beta) feature.
The Autosteer seems to work decently well on highway without hover hands, but it does require no sharp turns and any traffic or stop and go isn't what it was built for. I can def. see it nice when doing longer road trips.
That said, I've turned Autosteer on several times and maybe 70% comfortable with it. It does like to hug the right side of a lane, and when I'm in the very right lane on the freeway with on-ramps and exits, there have been times I didn't want to take any chances and assumed full control of steering, or else it drifts into the exit lane and gets back into the right lane, depending on the road lines and how they're drawn. This is with me having knowledge of how computer vision works - I wonder how anyone w/o tech knowledge can put their full trust into these things or to manage the situations correctly.
So even w/o the full FSD feature, I think there's still some work to do on the Autopilot autosteer (it could be a subset of FSD, maybe different ML models all together underneath) - and city driving FSD probably needs even more work.
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#57"Not perfect".
Yes, killing pedestrians is not perfect.
I mean, seriously. You are too fucking optimistic guys. Go back to the drawing board. If your program can do that you are way off from the target.
You can't write software on which innocent lives depend like you would write a startup AI showcase.
Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Not an illegal turn. [edit] I linked to the law from the wrong state. Here's the right one: https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61.305 RCWs > Title 46 > Chapter 46.61 > Section 46.61.305 (1) No person shall turn a vehicle or move right or left upon a roadway unless and until such movement can be made with reasonable safety nor without giving an appropriate signal in the manner hereinafter provided. (2)…
> California Vehicle Code This is Seattle, under the monorail (5th Ave).
You're right and I noted the section of the washington state driving code that applies. I'm pretty sure that every state in the US has a variant of this same law and picking the wrong one doesn't matter for the purposes of this thread.
Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn
#59If you have to anxiously hover your hands over the wheel constantly like the driver is in this video, is it really helpful even if it doesn't crash? I don't own a Tesla, curious how other drivers are when on Autopilot.
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right, and it didn't "veer" either, it performed a normal turn. The pedestrians had just started crossing, so it was in the wrong, but barely . It's the sort of manoeuvre that you see human drivers do all the time.
The Twitter user is located in MA, and the driver handbook says ( https://www.mass.gov/doc/drivers-manual/download , page 85): "You must yield to pedestrians entering or using a crosswalk in your travel path." At least one pedestrian was unambiguously "using a crosswalk" in the car's travel path, and the other one was entering the crosswalk as well. I wouldn't consider this a marginal case. I think Teslas are otherwi…
The video is from Seattle, but the same yield-to-pedestrians-in-crosswalks applies here, too.