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I wonder how many of those unvaccinated people were people that for some reason could 't be vaccinated? Like immunocompromised patients that already have a higher risk of dying? This seems like an important factor?
This data needs to be framed against the % of the population that was vaccinated at the time they contracted the virus, right? Otherwise, for all we know, the vaccine could actually increase mortality if the % vaccinated was smaller than the % of deaths that group represents. I'm assuming that isn't the case but hard to make meaningful conclusions about efficacy without that context. The apparent efficacy of vaccinat…
> This data needs to be framed against the % of the population that was vaccinated at the time they contracted the virus, right? No, it does not. It compares chance of you dying to covid compared to all other possible causes. This dimensionless number does not depend on relative population sizes. So if in one population you get 458 deaths from Covid compared to 57,263 from all other causes and in the other population…
I think your math is off. What if the first population only has 458 people in it? 100% mortality for that population would obviously suggest you want to be part of the other population even if their total deaths were higher. The issue I'm calling out is that we don't know the size of each population. I certainly don't think vaccines increase mortality, I actually believe it has a large positive impact. The point is this data doesn't help us understand how impactful it really is and, given all the debate over this, if they'd framed the data with better context, this could actually be a very useful study in ending that debate.
This data is out of date. The cut off is July 2nd, it doesn't take into account delta, or the fact not a high amount of people were vaccinated at that point. The most up to date data comes from Public Health England. Public Health England published a report last week which gave us this data for the period of August 9th to September 5th. It shows that of 2,381 deaths in this period, 1,659 or 69.7%, more than two third…
Anecdotally, my wife has been working covid ICU this month and to her it's not surprising. The people with breakthrough cases apparently have so many comorbidities that it's not surprising at all they'd get vaccinated with high priority but also have an immune system that doesn't do a great job learning new skills from the shots.
The people for whom the shot is least effective are the ones that get it the most.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This data needs to be framed against the % of the population that was vaccinated at the time they contracted the virus, right? No, it does not. It compares chance of you dying to covid compared to all other possible causes. This dimensionless number does not depend on relative population sizes. So if in one population you get 458 deaths from Covid compared to 57,263 from all other causes and in the other population…
>>> So if in one population you get 458 deaths from Covid compared to 57,263 from all other causes and in the other population you get 38,964 from covid compared to 65,170 from all other causes, we can immediately tell that one population fared much better at least when it comes to your chance to die of covid compared to chance of dying to all other causes. I think your math is off. What if the first population only…
I think your thinking is off.
How do you get 57,263 other deaths in a population of 458?
This data is not comparing population sizes. It avoids it by comparing your chance of dying to covid to something else that is supposed stable between populations -- chance of dying to all other causes.
We just need to know that population sizes being compared are large enough (as evidenced from the number of deaths included) to be statistically significant.
This data is out of date. The cut off is July 2nd, it doesn't take into account delta, or the fact not a high amount of people were vaccinated at that point. The most up to date data comes from Public Health England. Public Health England published a report last week which gave us this data for the period of August 9th to September 5th. It shows that of 2,381 deaths in this period, 1,659 or 69.7%, more than two third…
This sounds like Simpson's paradox again: https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-... Anecdotally, my wife has been working covid ICU this month and to her it's not surprising. The people with breakthrough cases apparently have so many comorbidities that it's not surprising at all they'd get vaccinated with high priority but also have an immune system that doesn't do a great job learning new skill…
This data is out of date. The cut off is July 2nd, it doesn't take into account delta, or the fact not a high amount of people were vaccinated at that point. The most up to date data comes from Public Health England. Public Health England published a report last week which gave us this data for the period of August 9th to September 5th. It shows that of 2,381 deaths in this period, 1,659 or 69.7%, more than two third…
There is literally nothing dishonest in this report, and yet you seem very eager to call it propaganda. The Delta variant does change things a lot over the past two months, but that's a different story that will warrant additional study and likely a v.2 of the vaccine.
Propaganda is simply information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicise a particular political cause or point of view.
I do wonder though, what's my risk of having serious symptoms in a breakthrough case? I know it's lower, but is it 10%? 5%? I have no idea.
This data is out of date. The cut off is July 2nd, it doesn't take into account delta, or the fact not a high amount of people were vaccinated at that point. The most up to date data comes from Public Health England. Public Health England published a report last week which gave us this data for the period of August 9th to September 5th. It shows that of 2,381 deaths in this period, 1,659 or 69.7%, more than two third…
Another nugget in there is that something like 95-97 of the population has Covid antibodies, from either disease or vaccination. I’m surprised actually that is is going as strong as it is still. I know antibodies are no silver bullet, but that means that a huge proportion of the country has either been sick already or had a vaccine recently. That seems as good as it can be for a “herd immunity” case, and yet infections are high. Hmm...
This data is out of date. The cut off is July 2nd, it doesn't take into account delta, or the fact not a high amount of people were vaccinated at that point. The most up to date data comes from Public Health England. Public Health England published a report last week which gave us this data for the period of August 9th to September 5th. It shows that of 2,381 deaths in this period, 1,659 or 69.7%, more than two third…
“Analysis on the direct and indirect impact of the vaccination programme on infections and mortality, suggests the vaccination programme has prevented between 24.4 and 24.9 million infections and between 108,600 and 116,200 deaths”.
This data is out of date. The cut off is July 2nd, it doesn't take into account delta, or the fact not a high amount of people were vaccinated at that point. The most up to date data comes from Public Health England. Public Health England published a report last week which gave us this data for the period of August 9th to September 5th. It shows that of 2,381 deaths in this period, 1,659 or 69.7%, more than two third…
This sounds like Simpson's paradox again: https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-... Anecdotally, my wife has been working covid ICU this month and to her it's not surprising. The people with breakthrough cases apparently have so many comorbidities that it's not surprising at all they'd get vaccinated with high priority but also have an immune system that doesn't do a great job learning new skill…
But I get super annoyed when I see things like CNN reporting 99% of deaths since January were unvaccinated. I mean, duh, hardly anybody was vaccinated then and those first months were the highest death rates. I'd like to give them a pass because, hey, maybe it'll convince more people to vaccinate. But it also creates cannon fodder for anyone who is viewing it critically. Both sides are so stupidly irresponsible.