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I wonder how many of those unvaccinated people were people that for some reason could 't be vaccinated? Like immunocompromised patients that already have a higher risk of dying? This seems like an important factor?
The most up to date data comes from Public Health England.
Public Health England published a report last week which gave us this data for the period of August 9th to September 5th.
It shows that of 2,381 deaths in this period, 1,659 or 69.7%, more than two thirds, were in the double vaccinated. Six hundred deaths or 25.2% were in the unvaccinated. This is very different to the ONS statistics as quoted in the press that 99% of deaths were in those not double vaccinated.
In the over-50s, the PHE report showed that 1,621 of 2,222 deaths or 73% were in the double vaccinated compared to 499 or 22.5% in the unvaccinated. Once you take into account the proportions of the over-50s vaccinated and unvaccinated this works out at a vaccine effectiveness against death of 68.1% – respectable, but a far cry from the kind of claims being made by the ONS.
It’s not clear yet how well vaccine effectiveness is holding up against serious disease. Data from Israel indicates that it may drop to 55% in the over-65s over six months. The age profile of Covid patients in the U.K. has also been rising again, which may indicate declining efficacy.
It’s depressing to see the ONS seemingly allowing itself to be used as a vehicle for the Government’s vaccine propaganda campaign.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-...
I have been looking for one number. Maybe someone can help me. What is the mortality rate for unvaxxed healthy adults between the age of 18 and 50? I can’t help but be dubious that this group needs vaccination.
Sure, THAT group may not need it to survive a covid infection, but it is not just about surviving a covid infection. It is about reducing covid in general so we can get closer to normal sooner.
Two weeks? What do you need to flatten the curve for? Here’s your mask, now wear two until we have 70% vaccination, and I’ll let you out of the concentration camp when we reach 90% vaccination. Now you just owe me two weeks for delta.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you need to read it again. Especially table 1. In the data they have they found that: 1. For all unvaccinated people, they had 38,964 covid-related deaths and 65,170 of other, non-covid-related deaths of unvaccinated people. 2. For all vaccinated people 21 days or more after second dose they found 458 covid-related and 57,263 non-covid-related deaths. It doesn't matter when these were recorded (unless we want…
The ratio of Vax vs. Non-vax death proportions is 1.3%. So,50X to 100X reduction in deaths versus all-cause
I have been looking for one number. Maybe someone can help me. What is the mortality rate for unvaxxed healthy adults between the age of 18 and 50? I can’t help but be dubious that this group needs vaccination.
With essentially zero short-term side effects of vaccination, compared to a significant (if not large) short-term mortality and medium-term morbidity from Covid, it is absolutely lunatic to not get the vaccine unless you have specific immune/allergic/blood conditions.
This data needs to be framed against the % of the population that was vaccinated at the time they contracted the virus, right? Otherwise, for all we know, the vaccine could actually increase mortality if the % vaccinated was smaller than the % of deaths that group represents. I'm assuming that isn't the case but hard to make meaningful conclusions about efficacy without that context. The apparent efficacy of vaccinat…
> This data needs to be framed against the % of the population that was vaccinated at the time they contracted the virus, right? No, it does not. It compares chance of you dying to covid compared to all other possible causes. This dimensionless number does not depend on relative population sizes. So if in one population you get 458 deaths from Covid compared to 57,263 from all other causes and in the other population…
This data is out of date. The cut off is July 2nd, it doesn't take into account delta, or the fact not a high amount of people were vaccinated at that point. The most up to date data comes from Public Health England. Public Health England published a report last week which gave us this data for the period of August 9th to September 5th. It shows that of 2,381 deaths in this period, 1,659 or 69.7%, more than two third…
The Delta variant does change things a lot over the past two months, but that's a different story that will warrant additional study and likely a v.2 of the vaccine.
Deaths 21 days or more after second dose: .89% Percent of all Covid Deaths That seems like great news?
We basically have a best-case scenario today and an awful lot of people don't care and still think it's doomsday. Vaccines are fantastic at reducing COVID to a cold, kids are at no risk, the overwhelming majority of adults are at no risk, vaccines are available, natural immunity is great, and ironically, vaccines DONT stop transmission. So, we're all gonna get it, anyone who wants to be protected can be, and unvaccinated people don't matter because COVID is already endemic and we're all gonna get it so we have a clear path towards herd immunity. This is great!
And here we are, instead making illogical and probably illegal rules that accomplish literally nothing, make everything worse, perpetuate irrational fear, etc. We scapegoat "the unvaccinated" and start this medical class warfare and just ramp up unnecessary hatred of each other. And worst of all, it doesn't protect anyone and probably will make COVID worse.
Are we having fun yet?!
We need to see cardiac events in the vaccinated cohort. I know or know of a dozen since April.
Your anecdote is the most interesting statistic I've read here. I am going to call the CDC and ask them to investigate this immediately. That's really what we should be focusing on. A dozen deaths, not 38,000. /s
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-...
Deaths 21 days or more after second dose: .89% Percent of all Covid Deaths That seems like great news?
2 random examples:
[0]https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fc...
[1]https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-says-99-covid-dea...