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I've got a child under 12, and while everyone in my household over 12 is vaccinated, I'm not sure if the vaccine has any point for him. If you look at CDC stats, today there are only 412 reported covid19 deaths in the 0-17 age group, 138 in the 0-4 group, meaning 274 in the 4-17 group out of 670,000. Furthermore, kids rarely need treatment, so most infections go undiagnosed. While I have no objection to a vaccine, an…
A large number of the breakthrough cases I'm (personally) aware of are coming from unvaccinated kids to their parents. I would definitely vaccinate your child once it's approved for under 12 - for your whole family's sake. Then tell them they're doing it to protect their family and let them feel like a brave hero.
Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
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Re: Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
#442Given the political discussions about “booster shots”, I find this quote pretty interesting: > Other studies suggest that a two dose regimen may be counterproductive. One found that in people with past infections, the first dose boosted T cells and antibodies but that the second dose seemed to indicate an “exhaustion,” and in some cases even a deletion, of T cells.34 “I’m not here to say that it’s harmful,” says Bert…
i really don't understand why booster shots are a "political discussion" i have normal flu booster shots ever year -- and that's fine. why not for covid?
The flu booster shot is actually a full vaccination based on the leading 2-3 variants they predict will be dominant in the coming flu season.
Also, flu vaccines are based on weakened viral particles, not mRNA transcriptions of key viral proteins... so the two really aren't comparable.
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#443Earlier quoted context omitted.
Did I not hedge enough? Two years ago I was a happy, contented liberal raising a family and working at my job. I still am, but I believe some quite different things about what is happening in the world, which old me would have dismissed out of hand.
Can you synthesize your thoughts on this? I won't dismiss ideas just because of where they come from, but can't wade through a 2 hour podcast to guess at what you might have meant. For my own part, I have been quite shocked by the leadership vacuum during the pandemic. It's increasingly clear to me that no one is really at the wheel in the larger part of the West, but many are pretending to be steering the ship. I do…
The first thing to note is that there is no "big conspiracy". There are conspiracies, but the driving force is that global economy gives rise to certain conditions related to modern monetary theory and currency manipulation that lead to an inevitable market correction. You can see this in the 8ish year short-term cycle, but there is a longer-term cycle known as the Kondratiev wave too. [0][1]
The global elite (known affectionately as "they") is anyone whose incentives are aligned with the current monetary system, and who has the power to reinforce or undermine it. This includes politicians, international bankers, humanitarians, etc. There is no overarching "cabal", but there may be one or more "cartels" fitted to a particular area of human interest. Most of these people probably only implicitly operate in their role as "they". These networks are no more than something like the UN or the WEF, and are often much less formal than that.
The key here for me is that this theory doesn't posit malevolence, but a shared vision for humanity focused on safety, security, stewardship, and prosperity. All good things right? This is just bog-standard progressivism.
But "they" know about the long term debt cycle. They know that we face real crises that will result in mass death and war if not managed, because we've deferred paying down the cost of our economy for so long (think of renewable vs industrial agriculture as a metaphor, erosion is making it harder and harder to get the land to yield crops). The best global policy is to get ahead of this correction by building structures of control and a narrative of self-sacrifice for the greater good in order to make scarce resources stretch. A great way to do this is to appeal to real global problems (climate change, pandemics, cyber attacks, fertility crisis) to influence people's behavior. LaserHodl calls these "Malthusian fear spells", because they will not automatically come true if we actually tackle the problems head-on.
The reasoning in the above article is a great example of this: don't tell people natural immunity works, because the most efficient solution to our public health crisis is universal vaccination, trade-offs against individual liberty, or even individual health, be damned. The intentions may be good; the side effects are going to contribute to the severity of the coming correction. But a submissive population will also be easier to manage in a crisis. Again, none of this may be explicit in the minds of any of "they", it's just a matter of historical perspective, power, and incentives.
Where the rubber meets the road is that LaserHodl claims the short-term debt cycle is set to coincide with the Kondratiev wave in the next decade. Additionally, 2030 is the date that Bitcoin is projected to hit $1MM or so [2], and is the deadline for the WEF's Agenda for Sustainable Development [3].
His (and my) hope is that Bitcoin adoption will drive a grassroots culture of low time preference [4], returning us to a healthy relationship with traditional values. This will in turn solve many of the the real world problems that face us instead of deferring them to future generations. Further, a culture of "opt-out at every level" will serve to undermine the efforts of those who attempt to further centralize government and consolidate power.
It's important to point out that Bitcoin is not a "weapon" against the global elite any more than a lock on your front door is. It's a defensive tool for building individual wealth and agency, which are the cornerstones of any civilization.
[0] https://investing-abc.com/debt-cycles/
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kondratiev_wave
[2] https://www.bitcoinprice.com/predictions/
[3] https://www.weforum.org/projects/frontier-2030
[4] https://breedlove22.medium.com/money-bitcoin-and-time-part-1...
Re: Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
#444The answers aren't medical, they're pragmatic. - COVID-19 Antibody Tests cost more than the vaccine (roughly $40 Vs. $16/dose). - We lack the quantity of Antibody Tests we'd need. - We'd need to set up additional systems and processes to accommodate the testing and proof (which, again, is a cost). The implicit assumption that often go along with these natural immunity proponents is that the vaccine is unsafe. Since i…
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> Only 412 people age 17 or younger in the US have died from covid. How many avoided death because they had good health care? One of my pet peeves about this pandemic is how death metrics keep being pushed around, as if it was not a big deal. If this pandemic had hit before we had modern health care facilities, it would have been comparable to the great pandemics in history. Besides, what happened to the children tha…
> How many avoided death because they had good health care? If you are going play that game, you also need to ask how many died between March - June 2020 because of panicked doctors intubating everyone left and right with no one around to advocate for the patients.
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I think the biggest issue is that a lot of people think they had covid previously but didn't get tested so they don't really know. I thought I had covid early in the pandemic. Took a serology test and found out that I had not had it. I suspect a lot of people that think they had it are the same.
Any serious policy which brings natural immunity into the fold would include the need for an actual medical diagnosis. I don't see the issue to raise to be a valid one because there are easy solutions.
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#447Why? Probably because everyone and their uncle self-diagnosed a bad cold as COVID-19 and plenty more would lie about having natural immunity. Still I don't understand the current approach to COVID in the US. Vaccines are safe and available yet we only just approved the use in children under 12. I have heard second hand many doctors are downplaying the importance of the vaccine for people under 18. On the other hand p…
>I have heard second hand many doctors are downplaying the importance of the vaccine for people under 18 The vaccine is not important for people under 18. Only 412 people age 17 or younger in the US have died from covid. [0] Teenage boys are six times more likely to suffer from heart problems from the vaccine than be hospitalised from Covid-19. [1] [0] https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-by-Sex... […
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I'd lean towards "probably not safe"; we only just found that teenage boys are at 6x more risk from heart problems from the vaccine than any risk from covid itself: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/09/09/teenage-boys-ris... https://archive.is/ixG5G
> we only just found that teenage boys are at 6x more risk from heart problems from the vaccine than any risk from covid itself: That's not what the study says. They compared all reports of possible cardiac events in the days following vaccination, including suspected transient myocarditis, to only one risk of COVID: Hospitalization. Notably, they didn't look at post-COVID myocarditis, just post-vaccine myocarditis.…
Re: Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
#449Why? Probably because everyone and their uncle self-diagnosed a bad cold as COVID-19 and plenty more would lie about having natural immunity. Still I don't understand the current approach to COVID in the US. Vaccines are safe and available yet we only just approved the use in children under 12. I have heard second hand many doctors are downplaying the importance of the vaccine for people under 18. On the other hand p…
> Why? Probably because everyone and their uncle self-diagnosed a bad cold as COVID-19 and plenty more would lie about having natural immunity. Serology is a thing, as are records of positive test results. Also, in many cases, "proof of vaccination" includes a cell phone photo of the piece of paper they handed out when you got a vaccine, so as it stands, lying is pretty easy. > Vaccines are safe and available yet we…
Re: Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
#450Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've got a child under 12, and while everyone in my household over 12 is vaccinated, I'm not sure if the vaccine has any point for him. If you look at CDC stats, today there are only 412 reported covid19 deaths in the 0-17 age group, 138 in the 0-4 group, meaning 274 in the 4-17 group out of 670,000. Furthermore, kids rarely need treatment, so most infections go undiagnosed. While I have no objection to a vaccine, an…
My partner is a nurse, and something I think that gets lots a lot in discussing these stats is that many times 'surviving' doesn't mean 'back to normal like nothing happened". Her stories of it radically complicating totally unrelated illnesses and the potential severe long term effects are more than enough reason to take precautions seriously despite what group or demographic you might be in.
This reminds me of a bad take that comes up from time to time around war casualties. Some will see that only a thousand soldiers out of a million died in some conflict and think that it wasn't that dangerous, but for every death in war there can be dozens of people who suffer severe mental and physical harm that negatively affects the rest of their life.