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Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by dillondoyle »

nathanyukai wrote: post #20
trompetenaccoun wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have friends and family in the Mainland. I've lived there myself for years. The CCP does not want peace, not sure where you're getting this from. First they'll take Taiwan at the first sign of American weakness (which may have happened already). Then they'll go for the rest of the world. It's not even a one party state anymore, it's been transformed into an outright totalitarian dictatorship under Xi. Absolute powe…

May I ask what makes you think that CCP will go for the rest of the world?

I don't know Xi's intentions, but there is a lot of rhetoric from him about restoring China's 'natural place' as the world's leader as viewed through hundreds of years ago.

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by dillondoyle »

3pt14159 wrote: post #42
throwaway_2047 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to live in Hong Kong. In the past 2 year situation has been Orwellian. News outlet being shutdown, pro-democratic parties dismissed, charities disbanded, whole members of political party got arrested, among others. At least 1% of the population fled the city in the first half of 2021. In a parallel universe, and completely unrelated note, my friends in China, thinks their country can finally stand-up against t…

When Trump was elected China had no better time to finally act. A destabilized and distracted west and political cover for actions as responses to Trump's aggressive on China tone. Even now, we're not out of the woods yet. The west is still dealing with the lingering effects of Trumpism and Covid has balance sheets and attentions. Consolidating power now while nobody in the world will really challenge them. The democ…

I don't buy this. I think it would have been the WORST time for Xi to act or get aggressive.

Trump is legitimately unstable and so selfish as to try to use the military and provocations - even on US soil he wanted to deploy forces - to win or fulfill his deluded post election craziness.

Just today excerpts came out of Woodward's new book; one revelation is General Milley called up his counterpart in China, kind of roguely, in a Nixon esque attempt to say hey, this guy is freaking crazy let's use bureaucracy to try to maintain status quo and go around any dangerous orders.

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by dillondoyle »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #22
depaulagu wrote: post #5

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Yep, what the CCP's been doing over the past couple of /decades/ is worrying

You are making a very valid point. For a good amount of time China was not just tolerated, but supported by US business in general. In a sense, Lenin was right about the rope. The trope about prosperity bringing democracy was wrong. I will go even further. What China is doing may become something US will at least partially adopt.

We already have. Thinking of HK, Xinjiang makes me feel we have lost moral standing. But I do understand the calculus and nuance of weighing what an actual war would inflict if we stood up to stop the wrong.

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by dillondoyle »

pphysch wrote: post #64
president wrote: post #52

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It has escalated in the past few years but they've been preparing for decades. Last month, Chinese warships were spotted [1] near Alaska. I find it strange that these acts of aggression are not known by your average American citizen. [1] https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3148725/us-...

Until the Chinese have carriers perpetually parked in the Gulf of Mexico, they haven't even begun to reciprocate Washington's naval aggression in the South China Sea.

I don't think following maritime law is aggression. From my understanding, CCPs claims to islands and waters become legitimate if we cede the ground under maritime law.

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Post by dillondoyle »

Trias11 wrote: post #90

Please - if you're posting paywalled articles - provide the way to read them without paying. Otherwise it looks like a sales pitch.

The #1 comment on basically all threads now is archive.is and you simply need to do archive.is/https://whatever.url

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by Retric »

dirtyid wrote: post #107
Retric wrote: post #32

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In theory no, in practice yes. They had an active nuclear weapons program that officially stopped just short of completion in the 1980’s. They also currently have multiple nuclear reactors in the country. So, they have the capacity to have produced nuclear weapons in the past or to produce them in the near future, but if they have any is somewhat unclear. Still, I would expect Shanghai to probably get nuked at some p…

TW nuclear breakout window is long gone. The island is now thoroughly infiltrated by PRC intelligence. There is no opportunity post 90s to secretly start up a nuclear program without getting glassed by PRC first, and with full endorsement from every nuclear power who doesn't want to see nukes proliferate to mid-tier nations.

That’s a very optimistic take on PRC intelligence operations. Historically countries simply aren’t nearly as good at gathering intelligence as you might think.

Further we don’t know what intelligence the PRC has gathered. If China believes Taiwan has nuclear weapons or the capacity to assemble them quickly, there is going to be very little change in rhetoric from China.

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Post by walrus01 »

trompetenaccoun wrote: post #4

What the CCP's been doing over the past couple of months is worrying. I wish there were a nicer explanation but it almost looks like they're preparing for war, or at least increasing confrontation.

> What the CCP's been doing over the past couple of months is worrying.

Past couple of months?

Try past 40 years...

One of my earliest childhood concrete memories of watching a news event of global importance was the CNN, NBC and BBC coverage of the Tienanmen Square massacre.

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by 3pt14159 »

dillondoyle wrote: post #112
3pt14159 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Trump was elected China had no better time to finally act. A destabilized and distracted west and political cover for actions as responses to Trump's aggressive on China tone. Even now, we're not out of the woods yet. The west is still dealing with the lingering effects of Trumpism and Covid has balance sheets and attentions. Consolidating power now while nobody in the world will really challenge them. The democ…

I don't buy this. I think it would have been the WORST time for Xi to act or get aggressive. Trump is legitimately unstable and so selfish as to try to use the military and provocations - even on US soil he wanted to deploy forces - to win or fulfill his deluded post election craziness. Just today excerpts came out of Woodward's new book; one revelation is General Milley called up his counterpart in China, kind of ro…

I'm aware of the book and two things can be true at the same time. The clampdown in HK came at a time when Americans were least likely to lead a coordinated effort to punish it.

China has been way less cautious over the past four or five years, and I do not think Trump being in office is a coincidence.

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by toxik »

pphysch wrote: post #103
toxik wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What-aboutism at its finest.

"Whataboutism" remains one of the most self-destructive inventions of Cold War propaganda. Dismissing context because it makes "your side" look hypocritical or undermines a narrative (in this case, "CCP is uniquely evil") is no way to understand geopolitics.

I, and HN it seems, disagree. Israel’s anti-BDS tactics provided little interesting context while moving the discussion to an unrelated topic.

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by alisonkisk »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #56
tablespoon wrote: post #49

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>> I think it is correct that prosperity will eventually bring democracy. > Xi sees that too and is busy trying to knock China's wealthy citizens down a couple of notches. What do billionaire-wealthy citizens have to do with prosperity or democracy (besides the fantasies of pro-billionaire propaganda)?

From that perspective, I can understand why Xi wants to limit power of individuals he sees in US ( they do wield tremendous amount of power ). He obviously understands it is a threat to the system ( and by extension himself ). I have long argued that too much power in one individual is a bad thing ( and that includes billionaires ).

The CCP inner congress is full of billionaires. They only cut down non-CCP billionaires.
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