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Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by colordrops »

dragonelite wrote: post #33
jack_riminton wrote: post #23

Was the cracking down always the plan for the CCP? use capitalism to rise the tide and then once everything has been modernised take control again?

Like the Deng Xiaoping quote goes "Some areas and some people can get rich first, lead and help other regions and people, and gradually achieve common prosperity." wouldn't be surprised its probably a mistranslation of the real quote. But Lenin talks about using capitalism to increase the productive powers of a nation and use the generated surplus values to help the people get cheap healthcare, infrastructure and a b…

The goal of capitalism was never to concentrate wealth in the hands of a tiny minority, regardless of the ideology of the nation.

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by 3pt14159 »

throwaway_2047 wrote: post #37
trompetenaccoun wrote: post #4

What the CCP's been doing over the past couple of months is worrying. I wish there were a nicer explanation but it almost looks like they're preparing for war, or at least increasing confrontation.

I used to live in Hong Kong. In the past 2 year situation has been Orwellian. News outlet being shutdown, pro-democratic parties dismissed, charities disbanded, whole members of political party got arrested, among others. At least 1% of the population fled the city in the first half of 2021. In a parallel universe, and completely unrelated note, my friends in China, thinks their country can finally stand-up against t…

When Trump was elected China had no better time to finally act. A destabilized and distracted west and political cover for actions as responses to Trump's aggressive on China tone.

Even now, we're not out of the woods yet. The west is still dealing with the lingering effects of Trumpism and Covid has balance sheets and attentions. Consolidating power now while nobody in the world will really challenge them. The democrats can't survive a recession on top of the Afghanistan disaster and prolonged Covid. They're not going to really sanction China.

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Post by rjzzleep »

Retric wrote: post #32
jjoonathan wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Taiwan have nukes?

In theory no, in practice yes. They had an active nuclear weapons program that officially stopped just short of completion in the 1980’s. They also currently have multiple nuclear reactors in the country. So, they have the capacity to have produced nuclear weapons in the past or to produce them in the near future, but if they have any is somewhat unclear. Still, I would expect Shanghai to probably get nuked at some p…

No and no. It didn't officially stop just short of completion. The US actively worked to subvert it. Both overtly using the UN and covertly using the CIA.

Taiwans nuclear industry was decimated as a result with a lot of the research facilities getting shut down and a lot of aspiring Nuclear scientists leaving the country or switching industries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_and_weapons_of_mass_des...

https://web.archive.org/web/20110227231955/http://www.highbe...

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by ulzeraj »

dragonelite wrote: post #33
jack_riminton wrote: post #23

Was the cracking down always the plan for the CCP? use capitalism to rise the tide and then once everything has been modernised take control again?

Like the Deng Xiaoping quote goes "Some areas and some people can get rich first, lead and help other regions and people, and gradually achieve common prosperity." wouldn't be surprised its probably a mistranslation of the real quote. But Lenin talks about using capitalism to increase the productive powers of a nation and use the generated surplus values to help the people get cheap healthcare, infrastructure and a b…

Thats not Lenin's idea. Karl Marx wrote that communism cannot be achieved without capitalism. You can't jump from a potato farming economy into a communist utopia.

If I'm not mistaken and I'm pretty sure if I am people will correct me, he actually praised capitalism for being a much more efficient economic system than what humanity had in feudalism and mercantilism. However he believed that capitalism has a hard cap where it starts to devour itself. He lived in a time when people where buying bonds from countries that did not exist.

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by rjzzleep »

3pt14159 wrote: post #42
throwaway_2047 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to live in Hong Kong. In the past 2 year situation has been Orwellian. News outlet being shutdown, pro-democratic parties dismissed, charities disbanded, whole members of political party got arrested, among others. At least 1% of the population fled the city in the first half of 2021. In a parallel universe, and completely unrelated note, my friends in China, thinks their country can finally stand-up against t…

When Trump was elected China had no better time to finally act. A destabilized and distracted west and political cover for actions as responses to Trump's aggressive on China tone. Even now, we're not out of the woods yet. The west is still dealing with the lingering effects of Trumpism and Covid has balance sheets and attentions. Consolidating power now while nobody in the world will really challenge them. The democ…

If John Boltons book is to believed Trump was very much pro China behind the scenes, with a lot of senior officials like Pompeo and Bolton pushing for things such as free trade agreements with Taiwan in which Trump had no interest in. His family has a lot of business there after all. But who knows.

At least we know that China calls Trump Trump the nation(china) builder.

https://www.ibtimes.com/why-beijing-may-want-keep-trump-whit...

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by ulzeraj »

colordrops wrote: post #41
dragonelite wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like the Deng Xiaoping quote goes "Some areas and some people can get rich first, lead and help other regions and people, and gradually achieve common prosperity." wouldn't be surprised its probably a mistranslation of the real quote. But Lenin talks about using capitalism to increase the productive powers of a nation and use the generated surplus values to help the people get cheap healthcare, infrastructure and a b…

The goal of capitalism was never to concentrate wealth in the hands of a tiny minority, regardless of the ideology of the nation.

That makes no sense. Capitalism has no goal. Capitalism is the market and the market are people. You might not like the results but saying it is alive and has a goal sound exactly like conspiracy theorists who believe in NWO and the Illuminati.

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by quintaindilemma »

Retric wrote: post #32
jjoonathan wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Taiwan have nukes?

In theory no, in practice yes. They had an active nuclear weapons program that officially stopped just short of completion in the 1980’s. They also currently have multiple nuclear reactors in the country. So, they have the capacity to have produced nuclear weapons in the past or to produce them in the near future, but if they have any is somewhat unclear. Still, I would expect Shanghai to probably get nuked at some p…

Why shanghai? Beijing would be more appropriate. Taiwan's missiles are capable. And shanghai has better food!

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

trompetenaccoun wrote: post #16
roenxi wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is a superpower. The future is bleak for Taiwan. But India has nukes, Japan can probably produce nukes in short order, Korea is in a state of hyper-militarisation for unrelated reasons and the US, insofar as they are active in the region, have nukes. It doesn't matter what the CCP wants, they might get away with Taiwan but it is hard to see what the follow up would be where Shanghai still gets to have skyscrape…

You can't take on the entire world with bombs and tanks, the Nazis tried that and failed. The CCP has a smarter strategy, they only use force where everything else fails. Like in Hong Kong, they were never going to get the HKnese on their side because no one knows the CCP oppression better than the people of HK, they've had front row seats for decades watching it all in HD. Same goes for Taiwan. They almost successfu…

> You can't take on the entire world with bombs and tanks, the Nazis tried that and failed.

They got pretty damn close. I’d say the outcome involved a lot of luck.

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Post by tablespoon »

postingawayonhn wrote: post #36
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are making a very valid point. For a good amount of time China was not just tolerated, but supported by US business in general. In a sense, Lenin was right about the rope. The trope about prosperity bringing democracy was wrong. I will go even further. What China is doing may become something US will at least partially adopt.

I think it is correct that prosperity will eventually bring democracy. Xi sees that too and is busy trying to knock China's wealthy citizens down a couple of notches.

>> I think it is correct that prosperity will eventually bring democracy.

> Xi sees that too and is busy trying to knock China's wealthy citizens down a couple of notches.

What do billionaire-wealthy citizens have to do with prosperity or democracy (besides the fantasies of pro-billionaire propaganda)?

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by bakuninsbart »

jack_riminton wrote: post #23

Was the cracking down always the plan for the CCP? use capitalism to rise the tide and then once everything has been modernised take control again?

It depends on what you mean by crackdown. On capitalism? Yes, and they've been really clear about it. China still has the official plan to introduce socialism by 2050, capitalist freedoms were never meant to be permanent. Now by 2050, the CCP is also supposed to be merely taking a backseat roll and the society will be equal and free. I think that's the contentious point within the CCP. Xi is part of the hardline left within the party, who is scared of losing to much influence to capitalists. He is naturally allied with CCP members who want more hard power. Lastly he's also almost certainly a social conservative, as are many of the current people in the leadership.

Xi was sent to hard labor in the countryside as a youth, and then went on to pretty strict education. He sees younger people today as weak and fun-seeking and that doesn't sit well with him and the other bigwigs. (This is all my own conjecture, take it with a grain of salt)

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