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Post by tremon »

smithza wrote: post #283
wussboy wrote: post #186

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I have a personal grudge against anyone saying "Why don't the parents take some responsibility to combat a multi-billion dollar company who puts the resources of small countries in to making their children behave in detrimental ways." But I'll not get in to that. :) Facebook and Instagram are drug dealers. Sure, they're not physically distributing a substance, but the social interactions they provide are every bit as…

I will say emphatically that parents of teens are the most influential people in their lives, whether acknowledged or no. It is likely the case that parents will forever be the most influential people in someone's life and the positions you take, the behaviors you engage in, and what you teach will stick with them for their whole lives. Take a stance and teach them. They may rebel, they may not, but years down the ro…

I will say emphatically that parents of teens are the most influential people in their lives

You might say that, but you would be wrong. Parents of teens have been the most influential people in their lives up to them becoming teens. Part of the process into adulthood is to break away from that pattern, to explore and build connections outside the family sphere. That's why teens are the most vulnerable demographic for a lot of things -- their brains are in the process of rewiring themselves for more personal responsibility and less parental oversight. So they're actively seeking to avoid parental control, but haven't yet learned to correctly weigh and assess long-term effects of their decisions.

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Post by skinnymuch »

wussboy wrote: post #186
aspaviento wrote: post #131

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The less I want is to defend Facebook but I think lately people don't want to acknowledge their own responsibilities. It's like every time there is a problem, the cause is someone/something else. I don't think Instagram is impossed to anyone. Young people can feel the pressure to use it because their friends use it but they aren't forced to do so. From the article it seems that young girls know about the toxicity in…

I have a personal grudge against anyone saying "Why don't the parents take some responsibility to combat a multi-billion dollar company who puts the resources of small countries in to making their children behave in detrimental ways." But I'll not get in to that. :) Facebook and Instagram are drug dealers. Sure, they're not physically distributing a substance, but the social interactions they provide are every bit as…

What will be the crack and cocaine in this situation? What other untold horrors will unfold while privileged or naive citizens and politicians all around stay cozy whilst the war on drugs caused havoc and destroyed so many lives and communities.

“We” certainly blamed the users of addictive substances and vilified or at least looked down on them. That is until it was heavily white and middle class or above people with opoids. Even then it was slow, but some things were done. Far more than what was done with other highly addictive substances. It’s a disgrace.

I shutter to think any drug banning history happen in any other context.

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Post by germinalphrase »

zepto wrote: post #416
germinalphrase wrote: post #378

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There’s no paperwork or background check on a private sale, so it’s almost a meaningless distinction.

> There’s no paperwork or background check on a private sale, so it’s almost a meaningless distinction. If someone is willing to buy a gun illegally, they don’t need to go out of state.

Private sales aren’t illegal, but - yes - guns are easily available (legal or not) in the United States.

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Post by refenestrator »

elliekelly wrote: post #315
prepend wrote: post #237

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Young girls and young boys (and adults, etc) have peculiar behaviors that differ among groups. Statistically speaking. Of course this isn’t exclusive behaviors among groups, but young girls are more likely to do some things than young boys. Since this article is talking about young girls, the interest is in behaviors and interventions that would be more impactful for young girls, as a population, than other groups. I…

> Young girls and young boys (and adults, etc) have peculiar behaviors that differ among groups. But what I’m saying is this behavior isn’t “peculiar“ among these groups at all. It’s the same. Yet we only seem to talk about how it happens amongst young girls and ignore how the behavior is frequently directed towards them as well.

Teenage boys' bullying tends to be physical and a lot less socially adept, stereotypically speaking. Social media is less of an accelerant for that sort of thing.

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Post by syshum »

franga2000 wrote: post #375
syshum wrote: post #321

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Usenet, IRC, Forums all connected friends and diverse groups over the internet before "social media", and IMO they did not have the same negative effects because they did not "gamify" the system with a reward feedback loop like the current social media systems do

None of them had nearly the same reach and discoverability as Facebook does. Good luck finding your childhood friend whose name you barely remember through thousands of web forums with primarily pseudonymous users. Meanwhile, Facebook's recommendation engine will just throw their name at you out of nowhere.

People would have a better chance of finding me via one of my various pseudonym's online than they would by my IRL name.

I do not have any accounts in my real name, and I had no problems finding others via our pseudonym's when I wanted to share them with people in the physical world.

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Post by remarkEon »

zepto wrote: post #421
remarkEon wrote: post #350

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> How is this sarcastic answer helpful? It’s helpful because it’s pointing out how absurd it is to constantly demand “data” to verify rudimentary observations of human nature. For whatever reason, and maybe it’s because of tech being so data obsessed, you can make a claim on this website as benign as “look both ways before crossing the street” and inevitably someone will want to see a “peer reviewed” study that says…

>>> Young girls are mean to each other, that’s a fact. >>> In all societies across time? Or just in American High schools and on Instagram? >> How do you know this fact? >My name is remarkEon and I went to middle and high school in the United States on a planet I call Earth. Ok, so you think your American High school experience gives you insight into all societies across time. Understood. Your answers make sense now.…

Is your claim that only in the United States is it that girls are mean to each other when they are in primary and secondary school? This seems like a much more extreme claim than mine. You have to argue that there’s something unique about the not_the_United_States schools such that there’s something nullifying intrafemale competition.

It’s a claim so extreme that … I’d like to see some data to back it up.

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Post by gunfighthacksaw »

Lets not forget that Facebook was founded as a platform to rate people on looks.

Also, Facebook is a case where a somewhat immoral but acceptable behaviour (judging people by their looks) has been warped and focused by technology to such a degree that 1/3 teen girls (and who knows who else) are suffering real effects from it.

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Post by zo1 »

dgs_sgd wrote: post #428
pfortuny wrote: post #296

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"Using social apps to connect with other people can have positive mental-health benefits" That statement cannot be false because it is devoid of any content, being a mere hypothetical. The fact that it is surrounded by "research" is meaningless as well, as the aforementioned sentence is like saying "the elements of the empty set fulfil all properties"... So no, they are not contradicting themselves. They are simply a…

It's a true statement. Surely connecting via social apps has had positive mental health benefits on at least one person. That alone would make it true. I think the problem is most people probably read the statement and don't realize just how weak the evidence required to make it true is.

I would interpret it as "connecting via social apps has a greater than absolute 0 probability of giving positive mental health benefits".

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Post by 908B64B197 »

Tarsul wrote: post #412
deepfriedrice wrote: post #201

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The cdc [1] has some figures that show a remarkably clear trend upward after ~2007. But IIRC it's pretty even across gender. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db352-h.pdf

thanks for picking up my slack. Another CDC study/poll is shows even worse data than I imagined[1]: e.g. ~8% of high schoolers try to kill themselves every year (I know, sounds unbelievable. Please, everyone, check yourself and correct me if possible). The numbers for girls are higher than for boys but the rises over the years (and the influence through instagram) not necessarily, see the diagrams. [1] https://www.cd…

There's rising competitiveness for everything else, not just body issues.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/12/the-sil...

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Post by zepto »

germinalphrase wrote: post #433
zepto wrote: post #416

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> There’s no paperwork or background check on a private sale, so it’s almost a meaningless distinction. If someone is willing to buy a gun illegally, they don’t need to go out of state.

Private sales aren’t illegal, but - yes - guns are easily available (legal or not) in the United States.

Guns are widely available to anyone who wants to break the law.

The claim that this is because people can drive to others states is false.

For everyone else, how available they are depends on where you live.

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