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Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by gruez »

tablespoon wrote: post #76
esyir wrote: post #67

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The solution for Taiwan is obvious. Nuclearization. The only way for a country of that size to resist a superpower is to ensure that that superpower loses their capital if they dare bite.

> The only way for a country of that size to resist a superpower is to ensure that that superpower loses their capital if they dare bite. That's not MAD. Also I'm not sure if it's even plausible that Taiwan could successfully target Beijing even if it had nukes. Would their system be able to survive a first strike? Would it be able to penetrate hundreds of miles of Chinese air defenses or defeat an ABM system? IIRC,…

>That's not MAD. Also I'm not sure if it's even plausible that Taiwan could successfully target Beijing even if it had nukes

do they need to target beijing? Targetting guanzhou would already wipe out any gains from capturing taiwan.

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by gruez »

petra wrote: post #69
kesselvon wrote: post #65

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Nuclear weapons are a technology that is almost 100 years old, and is old enough for a country like North Korea to pull off. It has a space program with rockets, a nuclear power sector, etc. It's the thing you do when you want all the pieces for a potential nuclear weapons program without signaling that you're looking to develop a nuclear weapons program. I think the current contemporary estimate is that Japan could…

Isn't 6 to 12 months that ages in wartime ?

Presumably china's not randomly declaring war? They could start building it once tensions rise.

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by glogla »

chunghuaming wrote: post #54
roenxi wrote: post #13

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China is a superpower. The future is bleak for Taiwan. But India has nukes, Japan can probably produce nukes in short order, Korea is in a state of hyper-militarisation for unrelated reasons and the US, insofar as they are active in the region, have nukes. It doesn't matter what the CCP wants, they might get away with Taiwan but it is hard to see what the follow up would be where Shanghai still gets to have skyscrape…

> The future is bleak for Taiwan. I keep seeing this argument. Let me explain why Taiwan will be free from China's attack for the next 30-50 years (long enough for Xi JinPing to expire) - US protection. If there's one thing both parties in US agrees on, it's against China. Biden just emphatically committed protection for Taiwan and peace in the south east Asia. There are many US warships sailing up and down Taiwan st…

One more thing to note is that China doesn't have much oil, natural gas and other resources on its own, and it is very hard to get any to it by any other way than by sea - otherwise it's combination of Siberia, Himalayas, deserts and neighbors that hate China.

China has enormous manufacturing capacity, but rather fragile supply to make use of it should the seas around it become warzones.

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by tablespoon »

gruez wrote: post #81
tablespoon wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only way for a country of that size to resist a superpower is to ensure that that superpower loses their capital if they dare bite. That's not MAD. Also I'm not sure if it's even plausible that Taiwan could successfully target Beijing even if it had nukes. Would their system be able to survive a first strike? Would it be able to penetrate hundreds of miles of Chinese air defenses or defeat an ABM system? IIRC,…

>That's not MAD. Also I'm not sure if it's even plausible that Taiwan could successfully target Beijing even if it had nukes do they need to target beijing? Targetting guanzhou would already wipe out any gains from capturing taiwan.

> Targetting guanzhou would already wipe out any gains from capturing taiwan.

That doesn't address the lack of MAD nor any vulnerability to a first strike.

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by ginko »

tablespoon wrote: post #84
gruez wrote: post #81

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>That's not MAD. Also I'm not sure if it's even plausible that Taiwan could successfully target Beijing even if it had nukes do they need to target beijing? Targetting guanzhou would already wipe out any gains from capturing taiwan.

> Targetting guanzhou would already wipe out any gains from capturing taiwan. That doesn't address the lack of MAD nor any vulnerability to a first strike.

It's you who brought up MAD. For a small country like Taiwan it may be enough to make the attack painful enough that it's not worth it to larger power. This essentially was(and is) Switzerland's defence strategy.

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Post by Retric »

rjzzleep wrote: post #78
jszymborski wrote: post #51

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The claims GP made about Taiwan practically being able to develop Nukes is supported by that wiki article, though. > "There is no evidence that Taiwan possesses any nuclear weapons or any programs to produce them, although it does have the advanced technological ability necessary to develop nuclear weapons as well as the high-tech ability to enrich uranium or process plutonium."

No it's not. That's a gross oversimplification of what is necessary to build a nuke. These arguments have been made over and over about other countries. If Taiwan had anything of the sort, China wouldn't be itching for a fight. It's also doubtful that Japan has any weapons grade plutonium left seeing that they handed over a bunch of it to the US in 2016. "On 24 March 2014, Japan agreed to turn over more than 700 poun…

A gun type nuclear weapon is an extremely simple device, though with relatively low yield. To the point where the US did not feel the need to test it before dropping Little Boy. Weapon delivery systems are a larger issue.

As to Japan having weapons grade plutonium or highly enriched uranium, 5 years is a long time in a weapons program. At it’s peak the US was pumping out hundreds of nuclear weapons a year.

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Post by ulzeraj »

colordrops wrote: post #66
ulzeraj wrote: post #46

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That makes no sense. Capitalism has no goal. Capitalism is the market and the market are people. You might not like the results but saying it is alive and has a goal sound exactly like conspiracy theorists who believe in NWO and the Illuminati.

What I meant was "the goal of regimes that implement capitalism was never to concentrate wealth". Also I was saying what the goal wasn't . Do you understand now?

I'm sorry I've misread.

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Post by christkv »

esyir wrote: post #67
roenxi wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is a superpower. The future is bleak for Taiwan. But India has nukes, Japan can probably produce nukes in short order, Korea is in a state of hyper-militarisation for unrelated reasons and the US, insofar as they are active in the region, have nukes. It doesn't matter what the CCP wants, they might get away with Taiwan but it is hard to see what the follow up would be where Shanghai still gets to have skyscrape…

The solution for Taiwan is obvious. Nuclearization. The only way for a country of that size to resist a superpower is to ensure that that superpower loses their capital if they dare bite.

They would need to develop something like the minuteman missiles but on mobile launchers to be able to retaliate with success.

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by abecedarius »

xxpor wrote: post #55
ashtonkem wrote: post #25

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Japan’s policy has always been to keep highly enriched uranium on hand, which they could use to make nukes in relatively short order. It’s a backup plan in case America stops being the guarantor of Japanese safety against China.

Do they have the wherewithal to pull off a deliverable Teller-Ulam thermonuclear warhead, without doing any atmospheric testing? Does Japan even have SLBMs or bombers? It takes a lot more to be a credible nuclear threat than just having some U235 sitting around...

The U.S. funded an exercise back in, iirc, the 60s of getting a few physics grad students to design a fission bomb using only open-source info. (That's far less resources than modern Japan could give it.) They succeeded at coming up with a viable implosion design.
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