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Re: Australian gov to use facial recognition and GPS tracking to enforce quarantine

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Post by hilbert42 »

throwawayfear wrote: post #153
ephextom wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever their intentions, governments can’t sustain these measures forever economically or politically.

Yes they can. Especially in Australia where people don’t have means to defend themselves and are falling for the “vaxed vs unvaxed” narrative. Pit sides against each other and they’ll clamor for the state to protect the peace and establish order. And that it will do with increasingly invasive measures like arresting pregnant women for making anti-lockdown Facebook posts or locking residents of an entire apartment com…

"Facebook posts or locking residents of an entire apartment complex in their homes with no one allowed to leave."

This IS the correct procedure during a disease pandemic. To halt the process of a disease it's been a common and effective practice throughout the centuries and across many countries to isolate those infected along with their close contacts for a period of time until the disease is over/can no longer propagate.

What do you specially find wrong with it and why? Sure it's inconvenient for those involved but it's the least harmful action for everyone - all of society benefits this way.

Clearly you don't know your history or you'd realize it was common practice. For example, until quite recently Sydney had a quarantine station at North Head for well over a century until the Government stupidly shut it down and turned it into a hotel: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Head_Quarantine_Statio...

Clearly, isolating people like this is new to you. Get used to the fact that it's not a new practice and the fact that you'll likely see it again in the future.

The same goes for the vaccinated versus the unvaccinated. Unvaccinated people are threat to the life and health of others so society has the right to isolate them for its own safety. This practice is not new either, it's been practiced ever since vaccination became common practice.

The them and us problem is simply solved by 'them' not being so damned selfish and getting vaccinated like the rest of society.

Please note: the matter of coercion with respect to public health matters is NOT like other forms of government coercion or government surveillance for political reasons. They are two completely separate matters - or they ought to be. If any of these COVID measures are later abused by Government then the citizenry has full rights to object in every way possible. Government has absolutely no right to take advantage of this tragic heath problem and it is incumbent on citizens to ensure that it does not.

Re: Australian gov to use facial recognition and GPS tracking to enforce quarantine

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Post by plugger »

throwawayfear wrote: post #124
ehnto wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The borders are closed so it's a choice you have made to enter the country and require quarantine, you know what you signed up for it is made abundantly clear. I think if you asked the majority of Australians they would say that they are happy people have to quarantine at the hotels and that they be guarded, since most of our outbreaks have been from quarantine breaches. So as far as a democracy goes that's right on…

So you're okay with increasingly stricter subversion of freedom, because you've consumed media fear-mongering about the pandemic. The pandemic is not deadly enough to justify building a totalitarian regime. What would have been the case if you asked the majority of Germans what they thought about certain restrictions in the 1930s? Democracy is more than the "whole community setting the rules for the community." It is…

> So you're okay with increasingly stricter subversion of freedom, because you've consumed media fear-mongering about the pandemic. The pandemic is not deadly enough to justify building a totalitarian regime.

FFS. So you're ok with hundreds of thousands (660,000 so far in the US) of people dying for your freedoms compared to the 9 (YEP, NINE) deaths we've had in Western Australia from Covid?

Democracy isn't some mask off individualist system where your perceived individual rights trample the rights of the wider community to stay alive, despite the deep throated bellowing coming from a media more concerned about stirring controversy to drive revenue.

You keep your freedoms. You freedoms to shoot each other rampantly with all your guns; your freedoms to have your police shoot and kill you without repercussion. Your freedoms to not get vaccinated and die from a virus that has an easily sourced vaccine readily available.

We'll take our sane approach to zero community spread of Covid and our two years of billions of budget surpluses. Who would have thought that having no community spread and a wide open economy would result in such financial windfalls? /s

All this app does is allow for people to self-quarantine without the cops being required to physically check that you're doing so. It's voluntary and allows the police to actually focus on their job instead of constantly checking on self-quarantining returned travellers. You can take you tyrannical Nazi German hot takes elsewhere, we're 100% not listening with our community free of Covid.

Re: Australian gov to use facial recognition and GPS tracking to enforce quarantine

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Post by plugger »

Teever wrote: post #95
amanzi wrote: post #66

The opening paragraph of the article describes what is actually happening and it's far less ominous that what the comments here suggest. "In an official statement, the State Government announced a contract to a Western Australian (WA) company for $1.1 million to develop a new smartphone app that uses facial recognition and GPS tracking technology to monitor people who are ordered to self-quarantine at home, reported…

Why can't they use ankle monitors that they give people who are under house arrest?

Because they're not criminals and that's a monitoring system for criminals?

Re: Australian gov to use facial recognition and GPS tracking to enforce quarantine

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Post by plugger »

throwawayfear wrote: post #113
notatoad wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah, there's been a lot of freaking out about this, but it's much less oppressive than being forced to stay in a quarantine hotel.

Read out loud what you are saying. You are saying that government ordering you to quarantine in your house, with facial recognition and GPS tracking in your own home, is less oppressive than being forced to stay in one of their quarantine hotels. And you're saying that in response to all the "freaking out" about this. Keep in mind that when quarantined this way, if you fail to respond to their random, RANDOM , pings.…

Do you understand that Western Australia hasn't opted for the 'let rip deaths be damned' strategy that the US has and has instead had zero community transmission for the vast majority of the pandemic? Your comments read like you've got little understanding of the situation here full stop.

Re: Australian gov to use facial recognition and GPS tracking to enforce quarantine

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Post by plugger »

throwawayfear wrote: post #140
bigiain wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Read out loud what you are saying. You are saying that government ordering you to quarantine in your house, with facial recognition and GPS tracking in your own home, is less oppressive than being forced to stay in one of their quarantine hotels. And you're saying that in response to all the "freaking out" about this. A slightly different reading of what they're saying is: "The government ifs offering to allow you…

It is not a choice no matter how often the people defending it insist it's a choice. It's no more a choice than someone holding a gun to your head and asking you which poison you'd like to drink. On what planet do we live, where all of a sudden that statement even in your version of the reading is in ANY way more palatable or reassuring? The government is offering you these choices: 1) Quarantine in a guarded quarant…

It is a choice. You choose to submit to two weeks of quarantine in either hotel quarantine (that you pay for) or at home; OR you choose to stay outside of Western Australia and accept the risk of getting Covid from places where community spread is rife. No one is forcing you to return.

In fact, there are few return slots available and many people can't get a flight back to Australia from places like the UK or the US. And yet they still try, because comparatively our life out here in the state of Western Australia (bigger than Texas mind you) is FULL OF FREEDOMS BECAUSE WE'RE COMPLETELY OPEN AND FREE OF COMMUNITY SPREAD.

Re: Australian gov to use facial recognition and GPS tracking to enforce quarantine

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Post by ehnto »

swiley wrote: post #152
ehnto wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The borders are closed so it's a choice you have made to enter the country and require quarantine, you know what you signed up for it is made abundantly clear. I think if you asked the majority of Australians they would say that they are happy people have to quarantine at the hotels and that they be guarded, since most of our outbreaks have been from quarantine breaches. So as far as a democracy goes that's right on…

It doesn’t matter why, stop rationalizing this bullshit.

Stop rationalizing it? So we should make rules based on our feelings instead? Of course it matters why. There is no freedom at all costs, because at all costs would be a lawless badlands. You're already knee deep in a society full of rules that you willingly follow and benefit from every day, now society has a new problem and we're navigating how to figure it out, that's going to take some rationalizing.

Re: Australian gov to use facial recognition and GPS tracking to enforce quarantine

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Post by throwawayfear »

hilbert42 wrote: post #191
throwawayfear wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes they can. Especially in Australia where people don’t have means to defend themselves and are falling for the “vaxed vs unvaxed” narrative. Pit sides against each other and they’ll clamor for the state to protect the peace and establish order. And that it will do with increasingly invasive measures like arresting pregnant women for making anti-lockdown Facebook posts or locking residents of an entire apartment com…

"Facebook posts or locking residents of an entire apartment complex in their homes with no one allowed to leave." This IS the correct procedure during a disease pandemic. To halt the process of a disease it's been a common and effective practice throughout the centuries and across many countries to isolate those infected along with their close contacts for a period of time until the disease is over/can no longer prop…

* If any of these COVID measures are later abused by Government then the citizenry has full rights to object in every way possible. Government has absolutely no right to take advantage of this tragic heath problem and it is incumbent on citizens to ensure that it does not.*

It is naive to think this way. By then it will be too late. They are building tyrannical systems of enslavement in the name of public health because obviously they wouldn’t openly say they want to enslave you.

Waiting for them to build the systems before you evaluate if they’re abusing their power must be some kind of preemptive Stockholm Syndrome from a citizenry that deep down can sense what is happening but finds itself powerless or too afraid to speak up. And so they just eat their own by failing to be critical and cautiously paranoid at the right time.

Wake up.

Re: Australian gov to use facial recognition and GPS tracking to enforce quarantine

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Post by throwawayfear »

Handytinge wrote: post #183
throwawayfear wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is the article's headline, and there wasn't enough space to edit in the specific state. But is it actually a meaningful distinction as far as these policies being constrained permanently to just one part of Australia? Will this spread everywhere or is there a reason why this would only be constrained to a really small town no one really notices?

Did you post this article primarily so you could respond to everyone here touting your own opinions and disagree with anyone else’s? I get things are frustrating at the moment, but that’s pretty narcissistic.

No. Like I told someone else who asked, this is all far beyond my comfort zone. I’ve spent years mostly lurking here. I don’t like posting.

I posting now because of necessity. All the alarm bells are firing. Too few are paying attention to the alarms.

Re: Australian gov to use facial recognition and GPS tracking to enforce quarantine

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Post by syshum »

ehnto wrote: post #187
throwawayfear wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're okay with increasingly stricter subversion of freedom, because you've consumed media fear-mongering about the pandemic. The pandemic is not deadly enough to justify building a totalitarian regime. What would have been the case if you asked the majority of Germans what they thought about certain restrictions in the 1930s? Democracy is more than the "whole community setting the rules for the community." It is…

You're extrapolating the pandemic situation out to the rest of societies problems and rules and we just can't have a good discussion like that. There are ways in which I agree with you about Australia's future and reducing freedoms, especially around technology and tracking. But the pandemic is not trivial, look at countries like India and America that essentially had it run free, that is a lot of death, and it wasn'…

People need to look alot closer to the data in America before they simply blame individual freedom for the deaths

A HUGE percentage of the deaths in the US are from people institutionalized in government facilities. They had no freedom..

Another HUGE percentage of the deaths were people that were already unhealthy, and what I know about Australia you guys do not have them levels of general unhealthy people.

America also has a much high percentage of the population over 65, a group that makes up the majority of COVID Deaths

There is more to the story than simply "American did not impose enough tyranny on the citizens to combat COVID"

Re: Australian gov to use facial recognition and GPS tracking to enforce quarantine

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Post by throwawayfear »

ephextom wrote: post #148
throwawayfear wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your post could word for word be used for the opposite narrative too. Many people have lost their lives through the bloodyminded actions of those clamoring for a totalitarian regime and its systems of enslavement.

Nobody is using it for the opposite narrative. Quarantine has nothing to do with enslavement. You’re being histrionic, but also inconsistent when worrying about loss of life through totalitarianism but not loss of life through preventable illness. You’ve said elsewhere that the pandemic is not deadly enough to justify the actions we’re seeing, and I somewhat agree (population-wide lockdowns have been excessive), but…

You have no power over them if they choose to keep it this way forever. Especially in Australia. What are you going to do to the contrary? And how can you guarantee they won't choose to keep it this way forever?

The quaranting itself is not the enslavement. It's how they are going about it and what kinds of systems they want to build.

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