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Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Who cares what it was / wasn't part of. The majority of people in HK don't want to be part of China. That's all that matters. > We Chinese eventually will get rid of CCP, but we don't want the great nation get split. Dude, what? HK hasn't been part of China for years. What possible justification could you have for re-integrating it. This isn't about preventing a split, this is about undoing a split, and destroying a…

>For someone who is anti-CCP, You now get why it is pointless to argue with the Chinese. And Hong Kong wasn't returned to China. It was Handed over. You can also tell most of their assumption about China were taught when they were young. It is always hard to break those assumptions. Most part of Hong Kong doesn't belong to China for close to 150 years. And you can read why they want Taiwan with so called unification.…

Dude your comment is pure racism without self awareness. And a showing of ignorance beyond saving!

> You now get why it is pointless to argue with the Chinese

I suppose you say similar things in private, just swap Chinese with black, Mexican, Japanese etc.

It was OK to say this type of statement on “Chinese”, because, of cuz, even US president did this.

> And Hong Kong wasn't returned to China. It was Handed over.

Don't play the word on me...

The treaty was signed long time ago. And was the results of foticful invasion.

Returned or handed over, that's for Chinese, UK, and HK people to decide. You as a random (probably racism inclined as well) has no privilege to apply one word or another! And you are probably the least qualified as well, based on the amount of ignorance demonstrated in such a small number of words.

> You can also tell most of their assumption about China were taught when they were young.

WTF we Chinese told you things about China, and all those are what we were taught?!

First, is there anything wrong with that? You are boasting racism statements, which I assume was also taught in school? Is that OK?

And outside of class, we Chinese cannot learn the truth about China? For God's sake, CCP are not omnipotent entity who can control people's mind...

Or you are simply stating that Chinese are not capable of independent thinking, because we are just Chinese? (Of cuz, I am placing a racist trap for you, but likely that's what you are thinking right now...).

> It is always hard to break those assumptions.

Assumption?

I see things with my own eyes, and hear words with my own ears, and read books with my own mind.

You, someone, who randomly punce on Chinese topics, based on 300 years+ colonists education and indoctrination, and plagued by a racism bigot president, who should lead the nation on the positive and good, instead base his whole presidency on demonizing Chinese and China, are free from assumptions!?

You, are having a assumed righteous mindset, which couldn't be farther from the truth...

> Most part of Hong Kong doesn't belong to China for close to 150 years.

You failed to mentioned HK was abducted.

And UK applied brutal colonial ruling, and harsh indoctrination in all levels of the society.

Oh, of cuz, for someone who was decent from the people, who genocide the indigenous people, forgetting the source, omitting the root, is always the standard practice of demonizing the people with strong cultural roots...

> And you can read why they want Taiwan with so called unification.

What? Shed some light on the facts then.

> Taiwan wasn't even part of so called China for most of human history.

LMAO national states were not a thing for the most of human history, so what? Let's dissolve and ask UN to rule the world. I'll be very happy, if the head of the Mafia, would be willing to relinquish the supremacy...

> They also claims to be Anti-CCP.

Why? Why? Why do you relate to CCP? To paint a picture of hideous valin through association, right?

I am not surprised such ploy is well learned by the observers of the US mainstream media...

> But have done absolutely nothing against CCP.

When I was preaching the Chinese citizens rights and the need to stand strong against the bully and unfairness of the CCP officials, you would be calling me a CCP sponsored propagandist.

You are anti CCP, but only superficially in the name.

> But because their love of China they must save China first ( helping CCP ) before they somehow get rid of CCP.

What? Why save China needs to helping CCP? Are you suggesting that CCP is the only medium through which one can help improve China? I thought you are anti CCP, and want me to be one as well...

> Oh the irony.

Yep, your whole post is an irony. One that someone who does not have a clear mind, even muddier writing, delivered an outrageous irony of human ignorance...

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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> Let's just assume for a moment that the US will fight off attacks by China to take Taiwan. And that US successfully ward off an attack. What next? What is there to prevent China from trying again and again and again? Will the US be prepared to ward off attacks after attacks after attacks? This is unlikely to happen. America did this in Korea and it split the country in half. > With this, lets again assume that Chin…

I agree that once the growth slows China will start to see cracks in its society. This, I submit, is the reason why Beijing is doubling down on the nationalist path. Cast the West as the enemy and China as the victim of oppression to drum up nationalist sentiments. The social compact I believe that exists in China is that the people put up with the curbs either out of ignorance of the lacks of curbs or because of the…

> Cast the West as the enemy and China as the victim of oppression to drum up nationalist sentiments.

Well, no, this is what US is doing, paint China as the source of all evil.

Yourself is the product of that ploy.

Think about Afghanistan, after so many years of wasted money life and time, one still think war is the answer.

How effective the propaganda has been...

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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The Chinese Government is speeding up their efforts to swallow Hong Kong and Macau into the Mainland. Closing the media outlets, museums, websites that speak against them. And a few key people get abducted here and there to scare more people and force them to accept the Beijing Regime. But... The people from Hong Kong still demonstrates and tries to fight for their lost rights.

> The Chinese Government is speeding up their efforts to swallow Hong Kong and Macau into the Mainland.

What do you expect them to do?

Put them into a reserve area, like Indian reserve? How about Xinjiang or Tibet?

What do you mean by swallowing anyway?

You mean HK and Macau people are not living the same life as before? All I know is that most people are better off than before.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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The Chinese Government is speeding up their efforts to swallow Hong Kong and Macau into the Mainland. Closing the media outlets, museums, websites that speak against them. And a few key people get abducted here and there to scare more people and force them to accept the Beijing Regime. But... The people from Hong Kong still demonstrates and tries to fight for their lost rights.

its sad. when Sun Yat-sen the father of modern China take on the Qing dynasty. Hong Kong was the base. It wasn't part of China and a lot of Chinese who is educated under the British rule understand what Sun try to achieve. a modern and free country. Hong Kong have been a base for a lot of progressive Chinese. Now that Hong Kong is fully back into China and the 50 years of no changes (for Hong Kong) promised by Deng X…

You'll be startled to know that Sun Yat-sen was a favorite of USSR and Comintern, better than CCP and Mao. And Mao has been the propaganda department head of KMT...

Thinking of politics as some random personal preference, what a showing of naivate...

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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post #9

The Chinese Government is speeding up their efforts to swallow Hong Kong and Macau into the Mainland. Closing the media outlets, museums, websites that speak against them. And a few key people get abducted here and there to scare more people and force them to accept the Beijing Regime. But... The people from Hong Kong still demonstrates and tries to fight for their lost rights.

Hong Kong seems really like a canary in a coal mine. Shouldn't it be easy for any of the world's democracies to speak out for such a small territory that is being threatened by a dictatorship? Apparently not in this sad era of decline. I swear I can feel it in the air. Principles are seeming more and more old fashioned. Money trumps all.

Hong Kong is chinese at the end of the day.

Sure Xi is breaking agreements of backing of for few decades, but in the end HK was to be integrated.

Not a lot of interest in fighting china on this as they have 'colonialism' card ready.

But not acknowledging Taiwan as a country, denning them flag in the Olympics is a worrying creeping level of Chinese soft power. Eastern countries should be working on decoupling as much of their economies from china.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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That's not "moving the goal posts". The ACTUAL complaint is that people demand an AUDIENCE - they want to be able to broadcast their views to the largest number of people possible. Nobody in the US is being "quashed" - you can run your own website, print your own newsletter, and nobody is going to kick down your door or send you to a re-education camp. Like I said, Nazis run their own websites, and the Taliban is on…

> That's not "moving the goal posts". Your first comment: > Whose voice is getting quashed in the US? Everyone has a Facebook, Twitter, email, phones, a magazine, protests, their own news channels, subReddits. Your second comment: > So "Silencing" is just getting kicked from Twitter and FB?

The first indicates that there are multiple services to "be heard" - but I've said repeatedly that the ultimate fallback is running your own website.

Sorry I was responding to the notion that people took being banned from FB/Reddit/whatever as being quashed. Those people are free to print their own newsletters or run their own websites.

It seems like two separate points, which is why I don't see it. Maybe I should have made it more cohesive.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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post #153

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In most of the countries you've identified China has a strong toehold already.

not really. those neighbors have absolutely no trust in China. There is history too between these countries in Asia.

Fully agree that there is endless history inter and intra asia. As a 1st gen asian american let me assure you I am familiar with that reality.

This is 2019 Thailand:

According to a BoI report, investment applications from Chinese projects in the first nine months of this year amounted to 45 billion baht, up 100% from the same period last year, mainly from the rubber industry and tyre manufacturing.

Thailand advanced six notches to 21st out of 190 countries in the World Bank's 2020 Ease of Doing Business (EODB) rankings. - https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/1782899/chinese-factory...

This is Malaysia in 2016: China is pouring huge money into Malaysia and most people have yet to bat an eye on the significance of this huge impact. In times of trouble, who is it that comes to support Malaysia? It is the Chinese. “This has led to Malaysia’s foreign bond holdings going back up to over 50% and also gave our ringgit some form of stability,” says Astramina Advisory Sdn Bhd managing director Wong Muh Rong. - https://archive.is/Ipbnu#selection-2839.0-2839.191

The reason for pulling old quotes is to show that this is a trend that has continued forward. I'd be happy to be wrong.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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> That's not "moving the goal posts". Your first comment: > Whose voice is getting quashed in the US? Everyone has a Facebook, Twitter, email, phones, a magazine, protests, their own news channels, subReddits. Your second comment: > So "Silencing" is just getting kicked from Twitter and FB?

The first indicates that there are multiple services to "be heard" - but I've said repeatedly that the ultimate fallback is running your own website. Sorry I was responding to the notion that people took being banned from FB/Reddit/whatever as being quashed. Those people are free to print their own newsletters or run their own websites. It seems like two separate points, which is why I don't see it. Maybe I should ha…

Of course they're being quashed.

Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient." Censorship can be conducted by governments, private institutions, and other controlling bodies.

Amazon, Apple, Google, Twitter, Facebook, etc. are multibillion-dollar corporations that control a colossal share of online communications.

You approve of said quashing because it aligns with your political ideology.

> Those people are free to print their own newsletters or run their own websites.

And if the registrars and payment processors do the same, as has already happened? You'll move the goalposts again.

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