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Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die

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Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got vaccinated and I still won’t comply. If I have to get fired for refusing to prove to my employer that I’m vaccinated, so be it. Even more so because I’m a remote employee; what business is it of theirs?

If you won’t provide proof you can substitute a weekly negative test.

Provided your employer is willing to absorb the risk of a late result which is $14k.

Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die

#22
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got vaccinated and I still won’t comply. If I have to get fired for refusing to prove to my employer that I’m vaccinated, so be it. Even more so because I’m a remote employee; what business is it of theirs?

If you won’t provide proof you can substitute a weekly negative test.

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Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die

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post #14

Hoping someone on HN knows the answer to this. Can someone explain what "5X more likely to catch Delta" means? I'm vaccinated. If I'm around someone with a delta infection, do I have 5X the amount of time to get away? Can I receive 5X the amount of viral particles with the same infection risk? Is my immune system response 5X as effective at preventing an infection? I'm assuming its a population level analysis and not…

It means nothing as these studies rarely take into account confounding variables. For example the vaxxed are more likely to distance and stay at home

It’s an imperfect study, like all population-level research. That said, it’s not fatally flawed. So, unless you are aware of something better, it’s reasonable to say that this is is currently the best available data.

An imperfect but reasonable study is not an excuse to throw everything out and jump to your own conclusions.

Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die

#25
post #14

Hoping someone on HN knows the answer to this. Can someone explain what "5X more likely to catch Delta" means? I'm vaccinated. If I'm around someone with a delta infection, do I have 5X the amount of time to get away? Can I receive 5X the amount of viral particles with the same infection risk? Is my immune system response 5X as effective at preventing an infection? I'm assuming its a population level analysis and not…

It means nothing as these studies rarely take into account confounding variables. For example the vaxxed are more likely to distance and stay at home

That sounds reasonable on the face of it. Do you have data to back it up?

Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die

#26
post #13

Hold on... People tell me I'm not at all likely to die of delta now that I've been vaccinated. If the unvaxxed are only 11x more likely, then the vaccines do not work as advertised. It's like ... The rabies vaccine provides orders of magnitude better protection as does polio and measles, etc. The covid vaccines are not effective enough and it's becoming more obvious each day.

> If the unvaxxed are only 11x more likely, then the vaccines do not work as advertised. Something that reduces your chance of dying by 11x is something that works. Why do anti vaxxers use binary arguments so much (it must make me completely immune, or the vaccine is worthless!)?

Relative risk vs absolute risk.

Once the risk is low enough, you dont care as much about relative risk reduction.

Covid is survivable enough (for my demographic) that I dont care much about how the vaccine increases my odds of survival. I care more about long term risks of the vaccine and long term risks of covid and how the vaccine may mitigate it.

Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die

#27

Hoping someone on HN knows the answer to this. Can someone explain what "5X more likely to catch Delta" means? I'm vaccinated. If I'm around someone with a delta infection, do I have 5X the amount of time to get away? Can I receive 5X the amount of viral particles with the same infection risk? Is my immune system response 5X as effective at preventing an infection? I'm assuming its a population level analysis and not…

There is an implied clause.

> Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch delta (than vaccinated), 11X more likely to die (than vaccinated)

Fixed the headline.

Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die

#28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the unvaxxed are only 11x more likely, then the vaccines do not work as advertised. Something that reduces your chance of dying by 11x is something that works. Why do anti vaxxers use binary arguments so much (it must make me completely immune, or the vaccine is worthless!)?

Relative risk vs absolute risk. Once the risk is low enough, you dont care as much about relative risk reduction. Covid is survivable enough (for my demographic) that I dont care much about how the vaccine increases my odds of survival. I care more about long term risks of the vaccine and long term risks of covid and how the vaccine may mitigate it.

Even let's say, you are survivable enough (peak health, early 20s), you can still catch it and transmit it to grandma. Of course, if you also want to isolate yourself from society, then do whatever you want.

Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Relative risk vs absolute risk. Once the risk is low enough, you dont care as much about relative risk reduction. Covid is survivable enough (for my demographic) that I dont care much about how the vaccine increases my odds of survival. I care more about long term risks of the vaccine and long term risks of covid and how the vaccine may mitigate it.

Even let's say, you are survivable enough (peak health, early 20s), you can still catch it and transmit it to grandma. Of course, if you also want to isolate yourself from society, then do whatever you want.

The person that takes the vaccine bears all of the risk of taking the vaccine. They get to decide if it's in their personal interest to do so.

If grandma is uncomfortable with the risks of being around others, she may isolate herself and bear the costs of isolation. She shouldn't be so entitled to demand that others take on a risk for her benefit.

Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die

#30
post #13

Hold on... People tell me I'm not at all likely to die of delta now that I've been vaccinated. If the unvaxxed are only 11x more likely, then the vaccines do not work as advertised. It's like ... The rabies vaccine provides orders of magnitude better protection as does polio and measles, etc. The covid vaccines are not effective enough and it's becoming more obvious each day.

> If the unvaxxed are only 11x more likely, then the vaccines do not work as advertised. Something that reduces your chance of dying by 11x is something that works. Why do anti vaxxers use binary arguments so much (it must make me completely immune, or the vaccine is worthless!)?

If my risk of shit of delta is essentially zero, being vaccinated myself, then someone eleven times more likely to die is also at essentially zero risk. Zero times eleven is zero.
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