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Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die

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Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die

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Post by BoHerfIVJrEsq »

moistly wrote: post #9
BoHerfIVJrEsq wrote: post #2

I find this unpersuasive. I don't want to hear anything from the CDC. I don't trust the CDC because (among other reasons) they recently silently redefined "vaccine" to not include the idea that it provides immunity. https://web.archive.org/web/20210826113846/https://www.cdc.g... https://web.archive.org/web/20210902194040/https://www.cdc.g... Vitamin D might qualify as a vaccine under the new definition, or some other…

Upvoters, colorless green ideas sleep furiously. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorless_green_ideas_sleep_...

Could you clarify your point?

Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die

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Post by ronri19 »

"The inferred median infection fatality rate in locations with a COVID-19 mortality rate lower than the global average is low (0.09%). If one could sample equally from all locations globally, the median infection fatality rate might even be substantially lower than the 0.23% observed in my analysis."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7947934/

Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die

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Post by iammisc »

Hold on... People tell me I'm not at all likely to die of delta now that I've been vaccinated. If the unvaxxed are only 11x more likely, then the vaccines do not work as advertised. It's like ... The rabies vaccine provides orders of magnitude better protection as does polio and measles, etc. The covid vaccines are not effective enough and it's becoming more obvious each day.

Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die

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Post by iammisc »

stickyricky wrote: post #7

Hoping someone on HN knows the answer to this. Can someone explain what "5X more likely to catch Delta" means? I'm vaccinated. If I'm around someone with a delta infection, do I have 5X the amount of time to get away? Can I receive 5X the amount of viral particles with the same infection risk? Is my immune system response 5X as effective at preventing an infection? I'm assuming its a population level analysis and not…

It means nothing as these studies rarely take into account confounding variables. For example the vaxxed are more likely to distance and stay at home

Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die

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Post by jasonlaramburu »

iammisc wrote: post #14
stickyricky wrote: post #7

Hoping someone on HN knows the answer to this. Can someone explain what "5X more likely to catch Delta" means? I'm vaccinated. If I'm around someone with a delta infection, do I have 5X the amount of time to get away? Can I receive 5X the amount of viral particles with the same infection risk? Is my immune system response 5X as effective at preventing an infection? I'm assuming its a population level analysis and not…

It means nothing as these studies rarely take into account confounding variables. For example the vaxxed are more likely to distance and stay at home

Or they’re more likely to take risks out of perceived protection. Well designed studies do take these factors into account and ensure a sufficiently large and diverse sample size.

Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die

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Post by jasonlaramburu »

wincy wrote: post #8
swiley wrote: post #3

I’ll die from covid or from the weather sleeping outside before I recognize a dictator. That was unacceptable.

I got vaccinated and I still won’t comply. If I have to get fired for refusing to prove to my employer that I’m vaccinated, so be it. Even more so because I’m a remote employee; what business is it of theirs?

If you won’t provide proof you can substitute a weekly negative test.

Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

iammisc wrote: post #13

Hold on... People tell me I'm not at all likely to die of delta now that I've been vaccinated. If the unvaxxed are only 11x more likely, then the vaccines do not work as advertised. It's like ... The rabies vaccine provides orders of magnitude better protection as does polio and measles, etc. The covid vaccines are not effective enough and it's becoming more obvious each day.

> If the unvaxxed are only 11x more likely, then the vaccines do not work as advertised.

Something that reduces your chance of dying by 11x is something that works. Why do anti vaxxers use binary arguments so much (it must make me completely immune, or the vaccine is worthless!)?

Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die

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Post by throwawaylinux »

moistly wrote: post #10
criticaltinker wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't be emphasized enough. Even if simplified down to three groups: 1) immunologically naive (never been exposed to SARS-CoV-2) 2) vaccinated 3) recovered from previous infection Most discussions on HN completely miss the distinction between these groups. The truth is, so far scientific consensus indicates that groups 2 & 3 are at least equally well protected and pose equivalent risk to others. Much of the bickering…

> The truth is, so far scientific consensus indicates that groups 2 & 3 are at least equally well protected and pose equivalent risk to others. Which reduces the set to two: immunologically naïve, and primed for an immune response. Or as we like to call it, unvaccinated and vaccinated. Edit: vaccination via live virus is absurdly foolish.

Aside from yourself, who is this "we" who likes to mislead in this way?

Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die

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Post by moistly »

throwawaylinux wrote: post #18
moistly wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The truth is, so far scientific consensus indicates that groups 2 & 3 are at least equally well protected and pose equivalent risk to others. Which reduces the set to two: immunologically naïve, and primed for an immune response. Or as we like to call it, unvaccinated and vaccinated. Edit: vaccination via live virus is absurdly foolish.

Aside from yourself, who is this "we" who likes to mislead in this way?

It’s me and my worms, buddy. Royal worms.

Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die

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Post by throwawaylinux »

moistly wrote: post #19
throwawaylinux wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aside from yourself, who is this "we" who likes to mislead in this way?

It’s me and my worms, buddy. Royal worms.

Typical anti scientific FUD spreading trolls then. Got it.
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