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Australian gov to use facial recognition and GPS tracking to enforce quarantine

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Re: Australian gov to use facial recognition and GPS tracking to enforce quarantine

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This probably doesn’t come across to an international audience but Australia is in a really weird state at the moment.

On one hand you have QLD/SA/WA which are probably the places least effected in the world by COVID. QLD for example with a population of 5.2 million has had a total of 7 deaths from COVID over the entirety of the pandemic. Schools, shops and workplaces have all been pretty much running as normal the last 18 months in these states.

On the other hand you have the South East states which have large active delta outbreaks and have gone through long lockdowns, especially Victoria. These states have given up eliminating COVID and are planning on letting COVID spread as vaccination rates meet targets.

Residents from the SE states are effectively locked out from the rest of Australia. State borders are shut and have been on and off for much of the pandemic. Thus Australia is in some ways operating as two countries at this stage.

What’s more international travel to Australia is effectively shutoff. The only people allowed back are Australians and there is a wait list and you better be planning on moving back to live permanently.

Obviously no one wants to split the country in half. No one wants suspend international travel indefinitely. In particular the federal government views its reelection chances as effectively riding on getting things to a semblance of normality by Christmas.

Yet residents of places like SA and WA obviously do not want to give up their COVID free status.

Hence you see the search for solutions like this. The app does address a genuine problem. In particular, hotel quarantine was introduced in Australia after home quarantine failed due to wide spread non-compliance. Yet it is expensive , capacity is limited and hotels aren’t great quarantine facilities in the first place. Sealed windows and shared ventilation systems in particular are problematic.

Whether or not the trade off in tracking people for two weeks is worth it, I’m not sure.

I don’t think these measures will be around permanently though. The slightest suggestion of permanent measures has been slapped down hard so far.

Re: Australian gov to use facial recognition and GPS tracking to enforce quarantine

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Before you jump on your outrage high horse, it would be worth your time to investigate the details. This is about South Australia adopting a new quarantine at home option for those who are entering the country. Allowing people to quaratine at home with an App rather than at designated quarantine hotels is a REDUCTION in government overreach. In Western Australia where something similar is in use, this is a voluntary…

“It’s not government overreach, you have a choice of ‘temporary’ in-home facial recognition and GPS surveillance or staying at a quarantine hotel.” Not only is this a laughable “choice”, the kind of manipulative choice you’d expect a tech manager to pretend to offer you when all his projects suck but he wants you to feel like you “picked” a project, it’s also naive to present it as a choice. You don’t wait until it’s…

> Keep in mind you are writing this in defense of a gov that presumes itself to be in charge of how many people you can have over.

Source: https://theconversation.com/vaccine-passports-are-coming-to-...

“NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian yesterday announced freedoms for fully vaccinated people once 70% of the state’s eligible population are double dosed. These include being able to go to hospitality venues, hairdressers and gyms, and have five people to your home.”

That's not the same government at all. You've quoted a decision by the NSW government, and this article is about South Australia.

Re: Australian gov to use facial recognition and GPS tracking to enforce quarantine

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> I would rather anti-vaxers leave the country than continue to hang around, yes

Those supposed 'anti-vaxers' are more or less guaranteed to be vaccinated for nearly all diseases just like I assume you (and others who insist on calling anyone who is not toeing the party line by that epithet) are.

Some people have natural immunity from having had SARS2.

Some people are being advised by their doctors not to take the current crop of vaccines.

Some people deem their risk from contracting SARS2 lower than the risk of side-effects from the current crop of vaccines.

Bodily autonomy is an essential part of a liberal democracy.

If you are vaccinated you are mostly protected so why worry over those who do not get vaccinated? They run a higher risk of contracting SARS2, they have a higher risk of ending up in a hospital, they run a higher risk of needing intensive care and they have a higher risk of succumbing to the disease compared to vaccinated people in their own age and risk group. These are all risks to their own health, something you might find stupid and unreasonable but... it is their own choice. The only possible argument you might have in a country with socialised health care (like Oz) is that they may run up health care costs due to their refusal to take the vaccine. Those same people might respond that they do not want the vaccines because they fear potential side effects somewhere down the line. Given the limited amount of long-time experience with mRNA vaccines in humans this is not an unfounded risk, although most side effects seem to occur within 6 months of vaccination and as such should have already become visible.

Have you seen the movie 'Babe', the one about the pig which acted like a dog? Do you remember how the sheep in that movie called anything which they deemed to be a threat a 'wolf', leading to a field full of sheep bleating 'wolf' in sheep-speak to each other and to the supposed wolf? Calling anyone who shows the slightest hesitancy towards these rather new vaccines 'anti-vaxxers' (the word seems to be mostly spelled with two 'x'-es) is comparable to how those sheep reacted.

Don't be a sheep, Australia has enough of them already.

Re: Australian gov to use facial recognition and GPS tracking to enforce quarantine

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The opening paragraph of the article describes what is actually happening and it's far less ominous that what the comments here suggest. "In an official statement, the State Government announced a contract to a Western Australian (WA) company for $1.1 million to develop a new smartphone app that uses facial recognition and GPS tracking technology to monitor people who are ordered to self-quarantine at home, reported…

Still, it lays infrastructure for future abuse. When the covid Zeta mutation comes around, it might be tempting to scale it up to the general public.

"Sir, if we make the general public use this, it will save 24% more lives"

Re: Australian gov to use facial recognition and GPS tracking to enforce quarantine

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The opening paragraph of the article describes what is actually happening and it's far less ominous that what the comments here suggest. "In an official statement, the State Government announced a contract to a Western Australian (WA) company for $1.1 million to develop a new smartphone app that uses facial recognition and GPS tracking technology to monitor people who are ordered to self-quarantine at home, reported…

Why can't they use ankle monitors that they give people who are under house arrest?

Re: Australian gov to use facial recognition and GPS tracking to enforce quarantine

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Rights exist by what people demand and exercise and do. A "bill of rights" is a piece of paper. A piece of paper which is ruled upon by a court that was granted its power by the very same collection of papers. For example, the right to keep and bear arms (obviously not for hunting but for war and security) has been infringed upon many times, but constitutional courts have decided that actually despite the bill of rig…

I for one agree with you. I've never understood why America puts of with basically being a police state, with the level of police brutality and incarceration that they have. And here in aussieland, we don't have that, but we do nothing to protect our liberties.

If society is violent, divided, and less trusting of one another, there is more willingness to turn to the state for protection.

Unfortunately this creates a strong incentive for all governments to actually create such societies and increase division and mistrust in order to gain power.

Re: Australian gov to use facial recognition and GPS tracking to enforce quarantine

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post #66

The opening paragraph of the article describes what is actually happening and it's far less ominous that what the comments here suggest. "In an official statement, the State Government announced a contract to a Western Australian (WA) company for $1.1 million to develop a new smartphone app that uses facial recognition and GPS tracking technology to monitor people who are ordered to self-quarantine at home, reported…

Moreover, it appears to be an optional way of allowing returned travellers to serve out their quarantine period at a place of their choosing rather than in a state-run, guarded, hotel room, or without regular police visits to their home. I would have thought HN would regard this as a sensible and efficient use of technology.

> rather than in a state-run, guarded, hotel room, or without regular police visits to their home

Ah yes these are totally normal things for a democratic country to do

Re: Australian gov to use facial recognition and GPS tracking to enforce quarantine

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Looks like you fell for it. In many countries blaming that covid still exists is an easy scapegoat. So many people are falling for this line of thinking because everyone needs to blame someome. With two doses you can go out 3 times to every 1 time someone with no shots can. Blame the foolish who think because they are 2 dose vaxxed that they can continue their lives as normal. You can't.. stay home.

The equation has changed. Basically everybody is going to get COVID sooner or later, the vaccine just makes it much less likely that you'll get seriously ill from it.

Re: Australian gov to use facial recognition and GPS tracking to enforce quarantine

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The people aren’t to blame for an extreme government overreach.

I hate this and it's gross government overreach but it's those few bastards who've deliberately and surreptitiously defied quarantine that's given the government the excuse it needs to so act. Unlike the US, COVID was essentially controlled in Australia until some very specific violations of quarantine happened - and the outbreak traced to these violators. These outbreaks weren't of iffy origin, they were clearcut li…

At what point do you kill those that dare live their lives? This happened a generation ago to my people, they said we carried typhus and needed to be cleansed for the public health. Never again, huh?

Re: Australian gov to use facial recognition and GPS tracking to enforce quarantine

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Moreover, it appears to be an optional way of allowing returned travellers to serve out their quarantine period at a place of their choosing rather than in a state-run, guarded, hotel room, or without regular police visits to their home. I would have thought HN would regard this as a sensible and efficient use of technology.

> rather than in a state-run, guarded, hotel room, or without regular police visits to their home Ah yes these are totally normal things for a democratic country to do

Mandatory quarantine is an absolutely reasonable thing to do during a pandemic, and it's not new. Australia did it for the Spanish flu as well.
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