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Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by IAmGraydon »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #288
curtis3389 wrote: post #275

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Other conspiracy theory stuff in the ticker: thermite conspiracy & something about ELTs going off before explosions. Surprised the creator didn't cram a remote control box mention in the ticker. I hadn't seen the ELT stuff before, and a quick and lazy google didn't turn up a good debunking. Anyone have anything about ELTs being picked up @ 8:44 AM and ~8:59 AM? I don't buy any of the conspiracies, just curious. The s…

> I hadn't seen the ELT stuff before, and a quick and lazy google didn't turn up a good debunking. Anyone have anything about ELTs being picked up @ 8:44 AM and ~8:59 AM? I only did a quick search. Found this transcript where someone mentions they saw a brief ELT blip on 121.5MHz: http://web.archive.org/web/20210718083443/https://www.nytime... A quick read of the ELT description ( https://www.aopa.org/advocacy/aircra…

An ELT signal was detected a couple of minutes before the first impact and another was detected a couple of minutes before the second impact. Both were detected from Lower Manhattan. Furthermore, nothing was detected from either plane at the moment of impact. This is a bit too much coincidence for me. I have no idea what could have caused this, but you have to blatantly ignore a number of red flags to swallow the official explanation.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by iratewizard »

jl2718 wrote: post #473
iratewizard wrote: post #443

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Pearl Harbor was unforeseeable. We knew the range of their planes and did not remotely expect that they would come anyways, when a return trip would be impossible. 9/11 on the other hand, was deemed a real threat during Clinton's administration.

This sounds like old information. Things have been declassified since then.

Don't tease information and then not provide a source or explanation

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by nautilius »

chitowneats wrote: post #489
nautilius wrote: post #486

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Masks are proven to be effective against transmission. Countries with early mask mandates suffered much less than countries without. I still fail to see the extraordinary “burden” “hardship”, “sacrifice” of - wearing a mask as a proven way to save lives? Would you feel better if there was some medal attached, maybe “Great Hero of the Fight against COVID”?

I'm not interested in virtue signaling, thanks. That's the only benefit that mask wearers get. Quite amusing to me that you jump to that. It speaks volumes about what motivates you.

Well you made it abundantly clear that the mere prospect of contributing to saving hundreds of thousands of lives means nothing to you, so I’m wondering what your motivation is to continue spreading your propaganda.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by ithinkso »

hhhhhrdcc wrote: post #305
ithinkso wrote: post #147

Besides the whole 9/11 thing, if you have 'showdead' set, you see the spam 'bot' in this thread. I always wonder if it's really a bot or someone with a lot of time to waste but let's assume it's someone real... do you know what their end game is? It can't be propaganda because it's clearly a spam and no one read those. Also, not many people respond to spam so I don't think 'dopamine hit' is a part of it. Confusing

Can you link what you are describing?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28493723

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by dimitrios1 »

kelnos wrote: post #432
dimitrios1 wrote: post #412

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But at what cost -- is the question I have, and too few are asking. The young, healthy working aged adults are the "front line" against many dangerous viruses and bacteria. What happens when you remove the natural herd immunity? (Wasn't it something like 40-45% of the US was already naturally immune against COVID when the lockdowns first started happening?) My guess is if we switch to pure defense, when the next big…

Look at east and southeast Asia. They mask up all the time when they're not feeling well. Are common colds and other things much worse there? I don't think so. Your worry here seems to be hypothetical and not based on any reasonable epidemiological theory.

My worry is based on the concerns of the top professors of epidemiology at Oxford, and Stanford School of medicine.

> Are common colds and other things much worse there? I don't think so.

I would love to investigate this further, considering the latest 3 deadly strains of H1N1, and SARS have come from here. But given that we don't have any reliable data (data we can trust), it's hard to tell what actually is going on there. We are only told what we want to be told by an authoritarian regime.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by chitowneats »

nautilius wrote: post #490
chitowneats wrote: post #485

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Have any actual rebuttal to the statistics I'm posting? Or are you just going to keep blowing hot air? I assume you're embarrassed that you're so confused about the data.

Your lies started with the mortality claims that are easily debunked with a 5s Google search, and you spewing these lies already frames everything else you’re saying afterwards. For your second point, after you torture what the article actually says into a alleged national policy of the UK, I suggest you read up on exponential growth. It reminds me of the discussions in this country in March 2020, when everything was…

Surely then you could provide a single link that supports your claim that covid mortality in children is higher than influenza?

Go ahead. I'll wait.

https://freopp.org/comparing-the-risk-of-death-from-covid-19...

"Based on that analysis, what is striking is that those under the age of 15 are at significantly lower risk of death from COVID-19 than of the flu. Under our assumptions, for example, children under the age of 15 have a 1 in 155,535 chance of dying of influenza, but a 1 in 1.2 million chance of dying of COVID-19."

"For toddlers, the relative risk is even more pronounced. We estimate that Americans between ages 1–4 are 3.4 times more likely to die of influenza than of COVID-19."

In an attempt to head off your inevitable criticism that I'm citing "conservative propaganda", here's an article from New York Magazine making similar arguments:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/07/the-kids-were-safe-f...

"according to the CDC, among children the mortality risk from COVID-19 is actually lower than from the flu. The risk of severe disease or hospitalization is about the same."

"the infection fatality rate for those aged 5 to 9 is less than 0.001 percent"

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by herewulf »

phaedrus wrote: post #18

I was in USMC boot camp on 9/11/2001. You don't get much chance to consume media during training, and they put us on lock down and gave us only limited information. We knew kind of serious attack had happened, but not exactly what. By the time I got out of training, the news cycle had moved on so it wasn't until the first anniversary of 9/11 that I saw the news footage of the event for the first time. Coincidentally…

I had a similar experience. I was in the Army and had just completed a 24 hour duty at about the same time the first tower was hit. I was finally about to get some sleep when there was a pounding on my barracks room door. I spent the next 24 hours on guard duty. Quite a long day. Consequently I completely missed all the live coverage and have only ever seen news blips.

Prior to 9/11, one could freely drive on and off of Fort Benning. There were no security checkpoints whatsoever, which is unimaginable these days on a major military installation.

On 9/11 we first had to secure our unit's compound and then eventually fanned out to lock down the roads on and off of post. We had rotating duty manning makeshift entry control points in the weeks and months that followed until permanent ones could be built and a (civilian) force could be stood up to take over the duty. Thousands of soldiers and civilians commuted daily between work on post and local off-post residential areas. It was quite a mess with extensive traffic and delays in the early post 9/11 days.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by mistermann »

hnbad wrote: post #449
mistermann wrote: post #364

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> Take small steps to make the world a better place, helping your neighbors, and you can take a stand against entropy. A different way to think about it: what if individuals independently taking small steps in only sufficient to maintain the status quo? What if the true state of reality is that something larger is needed, and is possible, but will never come to be because we never even tried to find it?

Sure but building solidarity locally is the first step unless you have billions of dollars at your disposal. In times of crisis, it's the local network that will support you, not the federal government. As much as we've been told to embrace individualism over the past century, we're still a cooperative species and will default to cooperation when things turn bad. If you want to see how well top-down nation building w…

> Sure but building solidarity locally is the first step unless you have billions of dollars at your disposal.

Only for a given subset of implementations (ones that require billions of dollars). Also: there are many billions of dollars looking for a place to be deployed, so it's not even a hard stop either, only a major difficulty.

I suspect there are other barriers in the mix that are a bit harder to see though (for some, at least), and may also have very powerful active defence measures that are maintained and improved on an ongoing basis.

> In times of crisis, it's the local network that will support you, not the federal government. As much as we've been told to embrace individualism over the past century, we're still a cooperative species and will default to cooperation when things turn bad.

I very much agree, and this is only one of many ~base-capabilities that ship as defaults from the factory. Perhaps one could make use of these services if one could reverse engineer their behavior, and discover the various API's that must be called.

> If you want to see how well top-down nation building works out, ask the Afghans.

This is but one example (therefore, not scientific thinking - the best kind of thinking...or so "they" say).

> The reason the new government never took hold was that there was no political will to address corruption so the old system still endured in local bonds and power structures. You can't have structural reforms without addressing root causes.

110% agree. So if one was to dig down into the infinitely complex causality, deeper and deeper, what plausibly most important root cause(s) might one find at the very lowest levels?

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by rkk3 »

nautilius wrote: post #479
rkk3 wrote: post #437

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Personal attacks aren't welcome on Hackernews. > The ludicrous and horrible price - of wearing masks? Of shutting down schools? of closing borders and separating families, which since you want to trivialize things I didn't bring up, a 3 year old in my family was separated from her mother for a year and a half. I didn't specify wearing masks.. but no one knows what the effect will be of kids wearing masks all day. The…

Several hundred thousand people could have been saved in the US if these measures had been taken seriously, early enough, compared to other first world countries. Social distancing, closing schools, etc. were proven methods that showed the difference between cities with horrible losses and much better outcomes for the Spanish Flu. (Edit: Washington had his troops in the revolutionary war quarantined, separated, and i…

> Several hundred thousand people could have been saved in the US if these measures had been taken seriously

That is baseless speculation.

> Social distancing, closing schools, etc. were proven methods that showed the difference between cities with horrible losses and much better outcomes for the Spanish Flu.

Where is the source? And that was a completely different disease, which had the worst outcomes for young people, so maybe taking pre-cautions for them made sense.

> Because of people like you, who call proven measures against COVID ‘safety-isms’ we lose that many people every other day.

You should take your dogmatism & personal attacks to another forum, where it is welcome.

> we lose that many people every other day.

Tragic, but they are elderly, chronically sick and had a life expectancy of less than 5 years. Also tragically under accepted normal & non idealogical circumstances, we loose around 8,000 people a day in the US.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by chitowneats »

nautilius wrote: post #493
chitowneats wrote: post #489

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not interested in virtue signaling, thanks. That's the only benefit that mask wearers get. Quite amusing to me that you jump to that. It speaks volumes about what motivates you.

Well you made it abundantly clear that the mere prospect of contributing to saving hundreds of thousands of lives means nothing to you, so I’m wondering what your motivation is to continue spreading your propaganda.

As an engineer, I'm not concerned with "mere prospects". I'm concerned with what is actually effective.
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