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Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by nautilius »

chitowneats wrote: post #475
hnbad wrote: post #455

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> No, they inflict massive negative externalities on society through healthcare. Good thing the US doesn't have socialized healthcare and private insurers generally exclude preexisting conditions. > Classic Safety-ism. Even today, 20 years after 9/11 and we are still paying a ludicrous price for this logic. Funny how the "safety-ism" after 9/11 was pushed by the Republicans and now the Republicans are complaining abo…

"lower mortality" Try nearly zero. Much lower than other common pathogens like flu and RSV. Which is why the UK is not recommending mass vaccination of teenagers aged 12-15, or any children younger. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58438669 This is why many argue that the focus on covid in children is largely about the irrational fears of parents and educators who have not seriously looked at the data.

What a propaganda piece. “many say”, etc.

Stop spreading lies like the lower COVID mortality compared to flu. It’s disgusting.

Stop lying about what the article says, it’s not about the national recommendation of a country (that famously botched their response).

“Nearly zero” means nothing for societal outcome, certainly for mortality. What is the number of people infected, “nearly zero” of which die? Then these numbers become meaningful.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

#482

Post by chitowneats »

nautilius wrote: post #480
chitowneats wrote: post #423

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Some of us don't mask "just to go to the grocery store". That's HN software engineer privilege, 100%. Many people, including little children, are expected to wear these masks 8 hours a day. You have no idea what damage you are causing for the lower classes, the less fortunate, and American public school children. Nor do you understand the effect this has had on the campaign for mass vaccination. I can assure you this…

Well, we are on HN, are we not? Many people, such as doctors, nurses, certain manufacturing jobs wear masks for much longer stretches of time, for many decades already. They are fine, it works really well. But you are right, I do not understand the effect of mask wearing on vaccination. Care to elaborate?

Pointless mandates (masks), where the vast majority of the burden falls on the lower classes, while the laptop class pretends to be hard at work while comfortable at home, tend to breed resentment and suspicion of legitimate public health policy and intervention.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

#483

Post by chitowneats »

nautilius wrote: post #481
chitowneats wrote: post #475

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"lower mortality" Try nearly zero. Much lower than other common pathogens like flu and RSV. Which is why the UK is not recommending mass vaccination of teenagers aged 12-15, or any children younger. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58438669 This is why many argue that the focus on covid in children is largely about the irrational fears of parents and educators who have not seriously looked at the data.

What a propaganda piece. “many say”, etc. Stop spreading lies like the lower COVID mortality compared to flu. It’s disgusting. Stop lying about what the article says, it’s not about the national recommendation of a country (that famously botched their response). “Nearly zero” means nothing for societal outcome, certainly for mortality. What is the number of people infected, “nearly zero” of which die? Then these numb…

Did you even read the article from the BBC? We are talking about rates of death in children, not the general population.

More children have been shot in Chicago in the past year than have died from covid in the entire country.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9979619/More-childr...

I'm finished communicating with you. You're not participating in this discussion in good faith.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

#484

Post by nautilius »

chitowneats wrote: post #483
nautilius wrote: post #481

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a propaganda piece. “many say”, etc. Stop spreading lies like the lower COVID mortality compared to flu. It’s disgusting. Stop lying about what the article says, it’s not about the national recommendation of a country (that famously botched their response). “Nearly zero” means nothing for societal outcome, certainly for mortality. What is the number of people infected, “nearly zero” of which die? Then these numb…

Did you even read the article from the BBC? We are talking about rates of death in children , not the general population. More children have been shot in Chicago in the past year than have died from covid in the entire country. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9979619/More-childr... I'm finished communicating with you. You're not participating in this discussion in good faith.

I certainly hope you’re finished communicating your blatant lies to other people as well - it would in fact save lives.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

#485

Post by chitowneats »

nautilius wrote: post #484
chitowneats wrote: post #483

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you even read the article from the BBC? We are talking about rates of death in children , not the general population. More children have been shot in Chicago in the past year than have died from covid in the entire country. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9979619/More-childr... I'm finished communicating with you. You're not participating in this discussion in good faith.

I certainly hope you’re finished communicating your blatant lies to other people as well - it would in fact save lives.

Have any actual rebuttal to the statistics I'm posting? Or are you just going to keep blowing hot air?

I assume you're embarrassed that you're so confused about the data.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

#486

Post by nautilius »

chitowneats wrote: post #482
nautilius wrote: post #480

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, we are on HN, are we not? Many people, such as doctors, nurses, certain manufacturing jobs wear masks for much longer stretches of time, for many decades already. They are fine, it works really well. But you are right, I do not understand the effect of mask wearing on vaccination. Care to elaborate?

Pointless mandates (masks), where the vast majority of the burden falls on the lower classes, while the laptop class pretends to be hard at work while comfortable at home, tend to breed resentment and suspicion of legitimate public health policy and intervention.

Masks are proven to be effective against transmission. Countries with early mask mandates suffered much less than countries without.

I still fail to see the extraordinary “burden” “hardship”, “sacrifice” of - wearing a mask as a proven way to save lives?

Would you feel better if there was some medal attached, maybe “Great Hero of the Fight against COVID”?

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

#487

Post by [deleted] »

HWR_14 wrote: post #139
pbourke wrote: post #20

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> I think the pandemic has far more historical significance I’m not sure about that. Without 9/11, there would be no wars, perhaps no Obama, etc. It altered the arc of history in a profound way. The recent Frontline episode “America after 9/11”[0] draws a through-line from 9/11 to the events of Jan 6 at the U.S. Capitol. [0] https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/america-after-9-11/

It's a little disingenuous to use 20 years of history to say it's a more significant event and then using the follow on results. In another 18.5 years, people could be talking about how the pandemic triggered the second US Civil War, or led to a complete reimagination of US race relations, or ushered in a communist takeover or something.

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Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

#488

Post by joemazerino »

noduerme wrote: post #417
irrational wrote: post #191

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Thanks for writing this. It is good to hear the experience of someone that was close by. I live clear on the other side of the country (and did on 9/11 too). I didn’t know anyone that died that day, and to the best of my knowledge I’ve never met anyone who lost someone that day either. So it is good for those of you who did experience it to write about it since it is so easy for people like me to be no more affected…

It's weird. I lived in LA at the time and I was in my early 20s. I remember my gf waking me up at 6:30am to go look at the TV. It doesn't feel like an historical or far-away event to me. It seems like the most pivotal moment of my life, when this country changed and everything changed. We were worried about LA being attacked, worried about bio/chem attacks. Suddenly there were no-fly lists, and things called TSA and…

> to all the conspiracy-fueled madness that led to 1/6/21, which is the only other day that began to feel like 9/11.

THAT is an interesting, and wildly speculative, take.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

#489

Post by chitowneats »

nautilius wrote: post #486
chitowneats wrote: post #482

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pointless mandates (masks), where the vast majority of the burden falls on the lower classes, while the laptop class pretends to be hard at work while comfortable at home, tend to breed resentment and suspicion of legitimate public health policy and intervention.

Masks are proven to be effective against transmission. Countries with early mask mandates suffered much less than countries without. I still fail to see the extraordinary “burden” “hardship”, “sacrifice” of - wearing a mask as a proven way to save lives? Would you feel better if there was some medal attached, maybe “Great Hero of the Fight against COVID”?

I'm not interested in virtue signaling, thanks. That's the only benefit that mask wearers get.

Quite amusing to me that you jump to that. It speaks volumes about what motivates you.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

#490

Post by nautilius »

chitowneats wrote: post #485
nautilius wrote: post #484

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I certainly hope you’re finished communicating your blatant lies to other people as well - it would in fact save lives.

Have any actual rebuttal to the statistics I'm posting? Or are you just going to keep blowing hot air? I assume you're embarrassed that you're so confused about the data.

Your lies started with the mortality claims that are easily debunked with a 5s Google search, and you spewing these lies already frames everything else you’re saying afterwards.

For your second point, after you torture what the article actually says into a alleged national policy of the UK, I suggest you read up on exponential growth. It reminds me of the discussions in this country in March 2020, when everything was written on the wall, but people looked at absolute numbers and proclaimed that it’s not going to be a problem.

See, if you were simply lying about how expensive your car is, I couldn’t care less. But it’s propaganda pieces like yours that kill people, currently at a rate of half a 9/11 per day, all of it completely avoidable.

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