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25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7 times per week, not prescribed

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Re: 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7 times per week, not prescribed

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Given that I don't do that when not on uppers, no it is the drug.

On the other hand most people that take modafinil don't do 12 hours masturbation session that involve a lot of blood and sleep regularly. Your experience of modafinil being close to your experience of meth is something specific to you, not to the chemical.

The FUD around modafinil in this thread is interesting, given that amphetamines are both used more frequently per capita and have worse side effects.

Re: 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7 times per week, not prescribed

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Could anyone here tell us about their experience with "study drugs"? When did this start to become a phenomenon, because it certainly was not in the time and place I studied.

My experience is with ADHD. It’s really hard to compare, as I’ve only ever been me, but I’ll do my best. Just take it with a grain of salt.

You know that feeling when you think ‘I should really start X right now’ or ‘I could use a break but probably shouldn’t yet?’ As I understand it, that’s the kind of thing I innately am at a disadvantage against. It’s also what treatment helps with. It’s easier to actually start and continue the things I want to do.

Adderall specifically also makes me too tense and physically over sensitive in a very hard to describe way.

Re: 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7 times per week, not prescribed

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Oh so that is the "merit" everyone keeps talking about needed to get a FAANG job. I guess Merit the generic name for Adderall.

The personal responsibility story would also imply that everyone should take performance enhancing medication. After all, it's everyone for themselves.

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> I didn't sleep for a week lies

I was also not able to sleep properly after taking modafinil. Which in turns affected my concentration. In my opinion, the best drug is good sleep and less stress.

That's assuming good sleep and less stress is enought. When it's not, that's when people may turn to stimulants.

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Did you have the experience with Modafinil or Armodafinil? Armoda is meant to last longer; probably too long for some people to take regularly. It's also more anxiety-inducing, so despite being the 'older' variant, moda might be the better choice for a lot of people.

I don't remember, it was years ago. The brand was "Modalert", so whatever they put in that. It also gave me a low-grade headache, dry mouth, grinding my teeth, and my pee stank of sulphur. Wouldn't recommend.

Try drinking an adequate amount of water, everyday, as it solves the dehydration[1] you're experiencing.

[1] https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/dehydration/s...

Re: 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7 times per week, not prescribed

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Re: 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7 times per week, not prescribed

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Go into a college library around finals week and you will see just how over prescribed and readily available these drugs are.

I saw zero prescription stimulent usage/availability during my college education. Granted, I wasn't hanging out at the library too often but if it was really that common that I'd have seen it at least once in the few years I was there. Maybe I was just super unaware.

You were unaware.

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> This is a new enough phenomenon This is a common misconception. Amphetamine was used to treat childhood ADHD going back to the 1930s. (Not to mention that amphetamine was widely used to treat sinus congestion and allergies in everyone, including children.) Medical amphetamine usage was significantly higher in the 1950s and 1960s than today. We’ve been on a long term secular decline in amphetamine usage (along with…

Prescribed medical use may have been higher, but was overall use higher? Assuming the anecdata in the tweet are true, I just can’t imagine 20-30% of people aged 16-30 were prescribed amphetamines in the 50s. Anyway, given that medical use was probably high enough back in the day that we can draw reliable conclusions about its long-term effects, are there any studies discussing this?

SSC had a pretty comprehensive summary of the existing research on long-term medical amphetamine usage. The summary is that there's probably a health impact, but it's very small.

The biggest risk is probably a 50% or so increased risk of Parkinsons. May be of more concern if you have the APOE4 allele.

https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/12/28/adderall-risks-much-mo...

Re: 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7 times per week, not prescribed

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> I just learned from a colleague and it was confirmed by every student I asked, that 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7X/week (not prescribed). And 5-10% do the same w/Modafinil or Armodafanil; 30-35% of students are on amphetamine Modafinil isn't an amphetamine. Source is seemingly "anecdata." And this was posted on Twitter. Probably not much to see here other than some outrage for attention.

It does sound like the post is talking about anecdata, but there have been some studies looking at prescription drug usage in students: 2018: https://cssl.osu.edu/documents/cpds-key-findings-2018.pdf 2015: https://cssl.osu.edu/posts/632320bc-704d-4eef-8bcb-87c83019f...

Sure, there is still some issues with the methodology since it's a self-reported internet survey. Data I'll report below is formatted as 2015/2018.

18.6% / 15.9% of respondents admitted to misusing stimulants for non-medical reasons, 84.9% / 79.2% of stimulant users reported using it to study or improve grades. Consequence of use: 63% / 60% of stimulant users reported "Experienced a positive impact on your academics as a result of your use"

What follows was only reported in 2018: When are you most likely to misuse prescription drugs to study? 76% answered during finals or exams, 53% Before a test or project, 38% When I feel behind, 17% When I want to get ahead, 6% When I need a competitive edge, 8% Continuously throughout the term.

When did you start misusing prescription drugs to study? Undergrads n = 1,399: 29% Before college, 38% first year, 21% second year, 10% third year, 3% fourth year or later.

Grads / professional students n = 381: 10% Before college, 73% during college, 3% between grad college and grad school, 8% first year of grad / prof, 6% second year of grad/prof or later.

The 2015 study reports: Actual versus Perceived Use Among CPDS Student Respondents - Stimulants Undergrads Actual: 18.6% Perceived: 33.6%

Grads Actual: 6.8% Perceived: 24.2%

We can use that to potentially assess the reported anecdata.

> Probably not much to see here other than some outrage for attention.

I think it depends. If the research quoted in [1] is correct, then taking these drugs either has no effect, or it only benefits low-performers. So, if it's only benefiting low-performers, then it needs to be determined if these low-performers are turned into high-performers, and, if so, does this mean typical high-performers without additional enhancements are losing out to those who are enhanced?

I suppose it's more an ethical / moral value judgement than anything else.

As they say in American sports: if you're not cheating, you're not competing.

[1] https://www.altamirarecovery.com/blog/adderall-addiction-amo...

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