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Phony diagnoses hide high rates of drugging at nursing homes

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Post by hansel_der »

Gigachad wrote: post #62
QuarterReptile wrote: post #26

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The truth we fail to face is that, in the grueling task of caring for the elderly and all the perverse incentives to cut corners, providing holistic care is an enormous labor of love that will tend to not work well outside of family, despite all the money we throw at it.

IMO its a problem that we try to keep everyone alive at all costs disregarding quality of life. I would much prefer to just die before becoming incapable of basic tasks and being kept artificially alive.

i hear you.

unfortunately there are a lot of ppl in a situation where they did not declare that in time and we can't assume they would.

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Post by theonemind »

philwelch wrote: post #158
david-gpu wrote: post #49

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Kids do not choose to be born. We can't expect them to serve us when we get old. They owe us nothing. We forced them into this world.

This argument bothers me because it seems to devalue human life on a very fundamental level. If your children resent you for “forcing them into this world”—if they would have preferred to have never been born in the first place—that’s not a healthy or normal reaction, but rather, near-suicidal depression. Sure, some people are suicidally depressive, but that’s a very dark attitude to project onto one’s hypothetical c…

> if they would have preferred to have never been born in the first place—that’s not a healthy or normal reaction, but rather, near-suicidal depression

This is a common misconception, and completely incorrect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism . This is a possible valid philosophical judgment that implies nothing about depression.

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Post by andrewnicolalde »

pottertheotter wrote: post #223
BingoAhoy wrote: post #32

Phony Diagnoses not just at nursing homes, also in mental facilities. Was really surprised (better word-traumatized) that one flippant casual mention of not valuing my life in a private text message was enough to to get me detained by police in a facility for a night. "Doctor" threatened me with drugging just because I refused to answer some of their questions and instead insisted on a lawyer. Funny how freedoms can…

I picked up my wife yesterday after a 72 hour hold at an in-patient center. I’m so glad that she legally had to be there. She tried to commit suicide Sunday night and spent Monday and Tuesday in the ER. It’s been a horrible week for all of us. The behavioral health place she was at was not perfect, but she would not be where she is right now if it weren’t for her having to be there. For years I have told myself that…

I wish the absolutely best for both you and your wife.

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Post by Hendrikto »

kbenson wrote: post #142
AussieWog93 wrote: post #113

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>Phony Diagnoses not just at nursing homes, also in mental facilities. Schools too. My mum spent two decades as a primary schol teacher, and it's an open secret in that industry that Ritalin and other behavioural drugs are, at least in some cases, administered for the benefit of the teacher and other students in the class - not necessarily for the child receiving it.

> it's an open secret in that industry that Ritalin and other behavioural drugs are administered for the benefit of the teacher and other students in the class - not necessarily for the child receiving it. Not necessarily does not mean never, so be careful of a claim like that, and maybe back it up. I have a daughter, now an adult, which Ritalin and/or Adderall provided real benefit. The only thing in question was ho…

Grades are not really a reflection of well-being though. Not saying that she is not better off with the drugs, just that you failed to show that.

You can be a horribly depressed empty shell pf a human, but still "function" in society.

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Post by Hendrikto »

watwut wrote: post #266
AussieWog93 wrote: post #113

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>Phony Diagnoses not just at nursing homes, also in mental facilities. Schools too. My mum spent two decades as a primary schol teacher, and it's an open secret in that industry that Ritalin and other behavioural drugs are, at least in some cases, administered for the benefit of the teacher and other students in the class - not necessarily for the child receiving it.

> administered for the benefit of the teacher and other students in the class I agree that it is wrong. But the protection of other students is not a bad thing in principle. It is a thing that is often missing. Yes the school should help problem kids. And absolutely, the school should make sure other kids don't get victimized in the process.

Drugging young children into quiet compliance and uniformity cannot be the answer.

This ADHD epidemic is localized in the US, so either people there are being overdiagnosed for the sake of sinplicity, so they can just be drugged; or there is something horribly wrong, causing all those children to suddenly develop ADHD.

My money is on the former explanation.

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Post by arkitaip »

pottertheotter wrote: post #223
BingoAhoy wrote: post #32

Phony Diagnoses not just at nursing homes, also in mental facilities. Was really surprised (better word-traumatized) that one flippant casual mention of not valuing my life in a private text message was enough to to get me detained by police in a facility for a night. "Doctor" threatened me with drugging just because I refused to answer some of their questions and instead insisted on a lawyer. Funny how freedoms can…

I picked up my wife yesterday after a 72 hour hold at an in-patient center. I’m so glad that she legally had to be there. She tried to commit suicide Sunday night and spent Monday and Tuesday in the ER. It’s been a horrible week for all of us. The behavioral health place she was at was not perfect, but she would not be where she is right now if it weren’t for her having to be there. For years I have told myself that…

I can't even begin to imagine how difficult this must be for the both of you. It must be terrifying having a loved one trying to commit suicide. I hope your wife and you find peace and happiness.

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Post by moonchrome »

watwut wrote: post #268
madaxe_again wrote: post #263

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In more brutal prior days, there was corporal punishment - I was frequently caned and variously otherwise bodily punished as a child, because I was a habitual miscreant - were I a decade younger, I probably would have been drugged. Personally, I’ll take the memories of violence over being medicated for life any day of the week. Oh, and it generally worked - fear of retribution is quite the motivator.

Gentle reminder that in the good old times of beatings, these kids were more likely to end up in jails, being violent, more likely to end up addicted to drugs and so on. Not that current time is perfect, but statistically it has better results.

Better for what ? Suicide rates in young population are going up for example. But even so - if your only goal is to prevent negative outcomes might as well put everyone in a coma and tube feed them - bound to get 0% crime, violence, addiction.

Hard to judge quantitatively - but TBH as fucked up as my childhood was I wouldn't want to grow up in the modern system and working with the zoomer generation I'm not impressed with the outcome.

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Post by [deleted] »

laurent92 wrote: post #238
kbenson wrote: post #185

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> I did less than a year after starting the "meds." Then I got in trouble for discussing suicide with another student I'm sorry to hear that. I believe that's why we had mandated psychiatric visits while my daughter was on the medication. We couldn't get refills without meeting with the doctor to discuss how it was going. It definitely sounds like it wasn't working well for you, either because of how the medication e…

> I'm not sure it's fair to extrapolate what everyone's experience is from what happened to you. But the problem is generic. USA schools have all the code smells: employees who are “just doing their job Ma’am”, or reacting knee-jerk, politics being involved leading to no solving issues but communicating a lot on them; no-xyz policies (replace with any CNN topic of the time) which leads to extreme response to normal y…

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