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Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate

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Post by gilmore606 »

q1w2 wrote: post #75
h2odragon wrote: post #35

From the sentiment on display so far; I'm wondering how long before we get advocates for involuntary vaccinations among the "essential workers" without whom our society will not function. If half the Post Office quits over this, that system isn't going to restart quickly or easily. Multiply that by many others.

No one is arguing for forced vaccinations. Arguing to absurdum, does not make a logical argument.

Six months ago "no one" was arguing for coerced vaccinations, either, and people like you mocked us for suggesting it was going to happen. Who's the absurdum here exactly?

Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate

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Post by q1w2 »

ghoward wrote: post #32
periphrasis wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One who understands that those “informed” strangers are making a decision that puts others at risk. Frankly, I do not understand why someone who presumably understands why second hand smoking and drunk driving are bad cannot transfer the same logic to being unvaccinated in the midst of a deadly and contagious plague.

Contagious? Yes. Deadly? Not really, especially for a novel virus. That's the difference. If we had a plague as bad as the Black Death, then yes, it would be deadly. People will use the death numbers as counter-arguments, yet most deaths (94%-ish last I heard) are from people who had comorbidities, like obesity and such. Until there is the same logic being applied to obese people as to the unvaccinated, as well as co…

> Deadly? Not really,

The Delta variant has a case fatality rate in the US of 0.1% for the general population, and 2% for those over 50.

That's not nothing. There are a LOT of people over 50 in a hospital.

Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate

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Post by nradov »

q1w2 wrote: post #82
ghoward wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Contagious? Yes. Deadly? Not really, especially for a novel virus. That's the difference. If we had a plague as bad as the Black Death, then yes, it would be deadly. People will use the death numbers as counter-arguments, yet most deaths (94%-ish last I heard) are from people who had comorbidities, like obesity and such. Until there is the same logic being applied to obese people as to the unvaccinated, as well as co…

> Deadly? Not really, The Delta variant has a case fatality rate in the US of 0.1% for the general population, and 2% for those over 50. That's not nothing. There are a LOT of people over 50 in a hospital.

Case fatality rates are meaningless because the majority of infections are never counted as official "cases". The CDC estimates the fatality rates at 0.6% for the general population. Vaccination cuts that fatality risk way down.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd...

There is no reliable evidence of a higher IFR for the Delta variant.

Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate

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Post by peteradio »

q1w2 wrote: post #74
chrismcb wrote: post #48

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I would prefer my child to be delivered by someone who knows how to deliver babies. I would not care about their gender, their race, their sexual proclivities. I would not who they voted for, what music they listen to, where our not they believe we land on the moon. I would not care if the hate the measles vaccine. Or are against taking a brand new vaccine. Why would I? Are you afraid what the nurse thinks will someo…

Nurses don't deliver babies anyway - doctors do. Gender, race, sex preferences, or political beliefs are very different from being anti-vax. Being anti-vax is evidence of low intelligence. So no, I would not want someone with low intelligence to handle or assist my baby's delivery. But the most obvious reason is that they directly endanger mothers and babies in the delivery ward because unvaccinated people are more c…

> unvaccinated people are more contagious and carry higher viral loads

Unless they've already had covid of course. In which case the situation is flipped on its head. How many nurses do you think may have already encountered covid prior to vaccines even becoming available?

Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate

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Post by yongjik »

ghoward wrote: post #54
organsnyder wrote: post #41

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By that logic, we could also argue—with the same degree of certainty—that the virus itself causes fertility issues, and therefore the vaccine prevents them.

True, except that there's a 100% chance of risk with taking the vaccine and a much less chance than that of actually getting COVID before it mutates into something less deadly and serious, as all plagues have done.

> there's a 100% chance of risk with taking the vaccine ...

Probability doesn't work that way. That's like saying I should buy lottery tickets instead of index funds, because with lottery there's a 100% chance of getting a chance of getting the first prize.

Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate

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Post by caeril »

msinca wrote: post #42
pdimitar wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cold only very rarely kills babies. If we're going to do analogies then let's go all the way. Here on HN there was an article about how people who got through Covid were much more resistant to catching it again, compared to those who got a vaccine. It's almost as if their immune systems actually work! I despair for the people who got surprised by this, as if our immune systems became a thing only during the last 2 ye…

What is tiring is the insistence of folks like you completely ignoring the 650,000 deaths in the US alone. Deaths that are climbing to a rate not seen since the spike last winter yet and this recent surge could have been avoided if this vocal misinformed anti-vax minority would have protected themselves, their loved ones, and their community with a jab. So yes, the rest of us are pretty tired of the virtue signaling…

What is tiring is the insistence of folks like you completely ignoring that fully 94% of those deaths came with comorbidities, far and away dominated by 1. Old age, and 2. Obesity.

We've already vaccinated nearly 90% of group #1, and continuing to gain ground.

We've heard nothing but crickets about group #2. Why? I don't know. Maybe letting people die of hypoxia is better than hurting their feelings. What I do know is that "folks like you" have absolutely no interest in actually solving problems or saving lives, because if you were, you'd actually look at the god damned reality of who is dying once in a while.

Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate

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Post by eplanit »

drfuchs wrote: post #29
eplanit wrote: post #3

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A healthcare professional who may already have antibodies from prior infection, and who therefore does not need a vaccine, perhaps.

From the CDC: "Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19 because: * Research has not yet shown how long you are protected from getting COVID-19 again after you recover from COVID-19. * Vaccination helps protect you even if you’ve already had COVID-19. Evidence is emerging that people get better protection by being fully vaccinated compared with having had COVID-19. One study showed…

To be fair, that's the same CDC that only 5 months ago was saying getting vaccinated meant "getting back to normal" -- no masks, distancing rules, etc. Their reputation as being authoritative on this topic is understandably tarnished.

Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate

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Post by CommunityPoster »

q1w2 wrote: post #74
chrismcb wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would prefer my child to be delivered by someone who knows how to deliver babies. I would not care about their gender, their race, their sexual proclivities. I would not who they voted for, what music they listen to, where our not they believe we land on the moon. I would not care if the hate the measles vaccine. Or are against taking a brand new vaccine. Why would I? Are you afraid what the nurse thinks will someo…

Nurses don't deliver babies anyway - doctors do. Gender, race, sex preferences, or political beliefs are very different from being anti-vax. Being anti-vax is evidence of low intelligence. So no, I would not want someone with low intelligence to handle or assist my baby's delivery. But the most obvious reason is that they directly endanger mothers and babies in the delivery ward because unvaccinated people are more c…

Having discussed with nurses dealing with vaccination, some are quite sceptical about the vaccine, due to the great amount of secondary effects they witness after the shot. The remark about "low intelligence" is quite wrong anyway: most people get vaccinated because the news told them so, not because they read through the peer-reviewed studies and concluded that it's safe.

Anyway, for a pregnant women of 30 years old with no comorbidity, the risk is very low. A mother giving birth is much more at risk of medical malpractice or general risk due to the various treatments, such as epidurals, ocytocin, episiotomy and so on, that are often not really useful but applied anyway.

Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate

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Post by CommunityPoster »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #43

Let's start providing federal assistance to medical degrees and certificates. People deserve better than to be treated by the purposefully ignorant.

What will society do for those not a risk of covid (under 30, no commorbidity) who got vaccinated and had a life-lasting side effect?

Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate

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Post by CommunityPoster »

anonymousab wrote: post #22
Huwyt_Nashi_068 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What sort of monsters would willingly subject peaceful, healthy, informed strangers to state-mandated medication, under threat of impoverishment and ostracism?

> ostracism That seems like the appropriate peaceable response by a society to someone choosing to become a potential walking threat to all those around them.

I already had covid 2 times. It was like a milder flu, with less fever. Second time, I was sick for one day only. I don't consider unvaccinated people threats.

Anyway, if the vaccines protects you, then you're not threatened about the unvaccinated. I don't really understand the fuss about it.

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