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Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by worik »

slapfrog wrote: post #360
ascar wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My dad told me that when he studied construction engineering in the late 70s at TU Munich one of their assignments was to calculate if the Isar nuclear reactors are built strong enough to hold off a Mach 2.2 impact of a Phantom II. If I recall correctly the correct answer was that they were quite a bit stronger than necessary for that. However, I always wondered if a large civilian plane like a 747 with a speed close…

This video shows an F-4 Phantom being slammed into a concrete wall using a rocket sled: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4wDqSnBJ-k At about 2 minutes in they show the aftermath. The plane is just gone , while the wall is a bit discolored...

Unconvinced.

That concrete block was not ridged. It moved when the plane hit it.

So the strongest aspect of concrete, compression, was tested. But the weakest, flexion, was untested.

What fun though.

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Post by joeraut »

rsync wrote: post #185

I hitchhiked and walked to New York 20 years ago today. I had my firefighter and medic credentials faxed to FEMA and then went into ground zero for ~24 hours to dig. I wrote about all of this, later, in what became cDc t-file #396.[1] [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20041208005336/http://www.cultde...

That was an incredibly powerful read. Thank you for your effort.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by dredmorbius »

kjellsbells wrote: post #289
dharmab wrote: post #19

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There are very few days in history where so much changes in a single day. There's a very clear "before and after". In my opinion, the 1990s began on Nov 9 1989 and ended on Sep 11 2001.

The historian Eric Hobsbawm once wrote that the 19th century didn't end until the cataclysm of 1914, and that the 20th finished early with the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1989. I think 1990-2001 was an innocent decade and the 21st century started on 9/11.

Similarly "the long 19th century" is 1789 -- 1914 (Ilya Ehrenberg and Hobsbawm).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_nineteenth_century

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by nautilius »

badsoftware wrote: post #342
ISL wrote: post #44

If watching this footage makes you want to stand up and do something, remember that Covid-19 is killing as many people in the US every two days as died in these attacks. Take small steps to make the world a better place, helping your neighbors, and you can take a stand against entropy.

Comparing an intentional attack on our nation to a global pandemic is insulting.

At least this time it really was an inside job, hundreds of thousands could still be alive.

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Post by goodluckchuck »

photochemsyn wrote: post #62

When reviewing 9/11 attacks (likely the biggest and most disastrous intelligence failure in U.S. history, give or take Pearl Harbor), it's worth remembering that it could have been much worse. If the first plane had hit Indian Point nuclear reactor what, 30 miles from NYC and upwind? It's likely a Chernobyl/Fukushima disaster would have resulted with an exclusion zone well into NYC. That was reportedly part of the pl…

Failure and success depend on your point of view.

At some point, when people continuously fail, you have to consider that maybe it’s not an accident.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by nautilius »

rkk3 wrote: post #243
polytely wrote: post #64

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Heart disease and cancer aren't contagious, so your actions on that front will only improve your own life, while being a bit more careful with covid will potentially prevent sickness in a lot of people.

>Heart disease and cancer aren't contagious, so your actions on that front will only improve your own life No, they inflict massive negative externalities on society through healthcare. > while being a bit more careful with covid will potentially prevent sickness in a lot of people. Classic Safety-ism. Even today, 20 years after 9/11 and we are still paying a ludicrous price for this logic.

The ludicrous and horrible price - of wearing masks? You have a twisted logic, comparing terror attacks and follow-up global wars to the horrors you must be going through, masking up (or not) for the grocery store.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by doctor_eval »

t-writescode wrote: post #373

Something really fascinating here is how each of the different news agencies handle the event. CNN seems incredibly clinical, if a bit gore-wanting (asking about what's falling from the towers, if the plane is inside still, over and over again) Fox News was instantly talking terrorism. CBS was panic and raw emotion, followed by aggressive tracking of facts to try and figure out what they saw. At least from the 9:02:5…

BBC was listing random terrorist organisations that maybe might have been responsible - obviously before they knew anything at all. It was utterly irresponsible.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by goodluckchuck »

maybelsyrup wrote: post #224
photochemsyn wrote: post #62

When reviewing 9/11 attacks (likely the biggest and most disastrous intelligence failure in U.S. history, give or take Pearl Harbor), it's worth remembering that it could have been much worse. If the first plane had hit Indian Point nuclear reactor what, 30 miles from NYC and upwind? It's likely a Chernobyl/Fukushima disaster would have resulted with an exclusion zone well into NYC. That was reportedly part of the pl…

Never forget: the CIA, at the highest levels, knew that two of the 9/11 hijackers had multiple-entry visas to the US and were living in the country in the year before the attacks. They knew they were al-Qaeda, and they knew they were important enough to have been at a big AQ powwow in Kuala Lumpur in 2000. CIA management prevented this information from being disseminated by FBI agents posted inside "Alec Station", th…

Yep, you don’t get promoted for failures. You get promoted for successes.
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