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Phony diagnoses hide high rates of drugging at nursing homes

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Live in multi-generational family units where the family shares responsibility for (and benefits from) their own elders.

You can do that in America. People don’t do it because they don’t want to. Would you enjoy living with your parents again?

Yes, I would.

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Suicide is offensive to society and many individuals on a deep level, especially of people who do not have a "good reason" (such as a terminal illness). While it may have progressed beyond being a criminal act, it is still taboo enough for alternative and equally good avenues to exist for society to deal with it, in this case, police and physicians empowered by law with the "duty of care" concept. This is of course b…

Step 1) fabricate an SMS Step 2) call police Step 3) enjoy Wow so easy to take down your political enemies huh

Swatting only has steps 2 and 3 to worry about.

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> I'm terrified of growing old in this country. Have kids, raise them right, and you’ll be fine. It’s worked out pretty well for a couple thousand years.

Kids do not choose to be born. We can't expect them to serve us when we get old. They owe us nothing. We forced them into this world.

That’s why the “raise them right” part is so critical.

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post #20

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Live in multi-generational family units where the family shares responsibility for (and benefits from) their own elders.

I wonder about the generational demographics of different cultures and how that impacts things. Many western cultures have fewer children to bear the burden of taking care of the elderly. The populations are shrinking for native born.

Also people tend to live lot longer and specially lot longer with limited capabilities. So there is more of those needing support and lot more support needed.

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It makes sense when you consider that the therapist is there to help you but only in a way that does not challenge society. You are right to not feel completely safe to discuss it, unfortunately. I'm not sure why this taboo has evolved to be so strong, though I would guess it runs very deep psychologically in peoples' fear of death and also has something to do with the potential societal implications to any culture w…

>societal implications I'd expect the quality of a party you're allowed to leave to be higher than one you're not.

I would agree, hence the offensiveness of suicide to society in the large.

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Nomadic tribes would simply leave them behind.

Or the elderly would wander off on their own to die, after they perceived themselves to be a burden.

And need to consider that elderly being able to wander off is still good state today. They could very well survive with relatively affordable assisted living. But in some cases we are keeping people alive who can't even walk anymore.

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Phony Diagnoses not just at nursing homes, also in mental facilities. Was really surprised (better word-traumatized) that one flippant casual mention of not valuing my life in a private text message was enough to to get me detained by police in a facility for a night. "Doctor" threatened me with drugging just because I refused to answer some of their questions and instead insisted on a lawyer. Funny how freedoms can…

"detained...for a night"

"freedoms can be taken away so dubiously even when not charged of a crime nor arrested in a system that exists outside the criminal system"

I'm sorry this happened to you.

Not defending it, but I don't think it's fair to say your experience represents some runaway extra-judicial outcome.

For better or worse, in the US, a judge's approval is required to detain someone in a psychiatric facility beyond an initial period (in my state it's 24 hours).

This is more or less the same standard we apply to people arrested for crimes, no?

I.e. you can be detained involuntarily for a bit, but they have to put you before the court or let you go.

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Phony Diagnoses not just at nursing homes, also in mental facilities. Was really surprised (better word-traumatized) that one flippant casual mention of not valuing my life in a private text message was enough to to get me detained by police in a facility for a night. "Doctor" threatened me with drugging just because I refused to answer some of their questions and instead insisted on a lawyer. Funny how freedoms can…

"detained...for a night" "freedoms can be taken away so dubiously even when not charged of a crime nor arrested in a system that exists outside the criminal system" I'm sorry this happened to you. Not defending it, but I don't think it's fair to say your experience represents some runaway extra-judicial outcome. For better or worse, in the US, a judge's approval is required to detain someone in a psychiatric facility…

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Re: Phony diagnoses hide high rates of drugging at nursing homes

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It is absolutely true, it happend to my grandmother. She was sedated because she had alheimzer and they didn’t want to deal with it. A tray of food would be brought in the morning and then taken back at night untouched, since she was sedated and they did not care that she didn’t eat for almost a week. Eventually she ended up in ER, had to be intubated and lost her ability to eat normally. That way she became bedbound and her life ended shorly after, something like a month and a half. Beside the alzheimer she was in good health but once in the nursing home it went all downhill.
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