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Post by frosted-flakes »

kennywinker wrote: post #112
corndoge wrote: post #109

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> The pendulum needed to swing toward protecting women by default He owned the house. If she felt in danger, the cops should come and escort her out of the house that doesn't belong to her. I don't see how your story is related to this.

But they lived together there? Even when it's under the status of a romantic relationship, that's still at least partially a tenant-landlord relationship and as such the tenant has rights. Setting aside all the gender politics - you don't get to evict a tenant at a moment's notice. And yeah, he got evicted sorta. But he still owns the house. I'm not saying it's an ideal situation... but given the tenant landlord powe…

I'm trying to get this straight. If he owns the house and lives there, then why do his tenant's rights supersede his own? The tenant might live there and thus has certain rights, but so does he.

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Post by anm89 »

lisper wrote: post #91
anm89 wrote: post #88

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If all of HN is in this group than the group is so large as to be meaningless. 1% of all Americans is more than 3 million people. I certainly don't wake up in the morning and ordain where people get there food from even if I'm an incremental part of structures that have some influence on the economics of America (all voters are) > That doesn't mean that this group of people does not exist. This logic sounds a whole l…

That is equally ridiculous. A group does not become meaningless once it gets beyond a certain size. The Republican Party is very large. That does not make it meaningless.

righ which is exactly my point. the republican party as a structure has influence. that does not mean being a member of it gives you any meaningful influence. the collective has distributed power. this is in the same way as how the government as a collective determines a lot of how our society runs without their being people who "control society" even though the government is made up of people.

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Post by overgard »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #74
bloodguard wrote: post #69

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We had an AC tech ask us if we knew someone was living on our roof. Turns out an coworker's GF kicked him out of his house* and he was living up there. Tent, free wifi, showers next to the bike room, full kitchen and big 80 inch TVs down in the conference rooms. He was livin' the life. He said he usually took down the tent and hid everything every morning but just got complacent. *Yes. His house. She told the cops sh…

> Yes. His house. She told the cops she felt in danger. Cops told him he had to stay somewhere else and go through the eviction process. Mad world. The pendulum needed to swing toward protecting women by default. As these things happen, it may have swung to a point where nuance needs to be applied. Your example seems fairly complex. I couldn't opine on it w/o knowing the details of the complaint. I can offer a differ…

> The pendulum needed to swing

There's no pendulum, there's just doing the right thing and the wrong thing. Doing something wrong in the other direction is just as bad.

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Post by awillen »

ficklepickle wrote: post #58
noasaservice wrote: post #28

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> Because I'm pretty sure that the people going through the trash would stop in an instant if they were offered a better alternative. Mostly, yes. Having been homeless myself for an extended period, I saw just how much mental illnesses impact so many people experiencing homelessness. In my completely unscientific lodgings with them, I'd say its probably around 30% of the people have some sort of debilitating mental i…

I know it is a tempting idea, but forced treatment is an oxymoron. You can't force anybody to get healthy, unfortunately. As usual, prevention is worth a metric shit ton of treatment. Apart from that, all you can really do is reduce harm and marginally improve quality of life through housing, etc. Not that a marginal improvement in QoL is anything to scoff at.

This isn't true, and the fact that you call it forcing people to get healthy shows you're missing the point.

It's not about getting someone healthy, it's about getting them to a point that they are of sound enough mind that they can make rational decisions.

If you hear voices that tell you that antipsychotic medication is going to kill you, you won't take it. The idea that you're choosing to not take medication of your free will is wrong - your free will is compromised by a mental illness so severe that your perception of reality isn't even correct. How can you possibly decide what's best for yourself if you can't accurately understand the world around you?

The point of this kind of forced treatment is to get people into a state where their brain isn't lying to them and they have a basic understanding of what's happening, so that they can then make decisions.

The folks who say it's unethical to force this kind of treatment sound like they're sticking up for folks with severe mental illness, but they're really just condemning them to suffer from that mental illness for life, because without some kind of outside help they simply can't take the actions needed to stop suffering from it, because it prevents them from doing so.

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Post by morpheos137 »

jacquesm wrote: post #99

I had a tacit agreement with a homeless guy I discovered one day sleeping in my car. I'll keep the doors unlocked and you don't mess it up and by 7 am you're gone. He was by far the best tenant I ever had, we did this for close to two years and then I moved. The area where I lived was an older industrial zone in the East of Amsterdam, there wasn't a whole lot around there other than a salvation army post and I figure…

That is great but not all homeless are benign.

See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Lynn_Sells

>On May 13, 1992, a 19-year-old woman in Charleston, West Virginia, was driving when she saw Sells panhandling under an overpass with a sign that said, "I will work for food."[1] She felt sorry for him and took him to her home, asking him to wait outside. She went into her home to get some food for him, and by the time she got back to her front door, he was inside. When she walked away to get something else, he got a knife from her kitchen and trapped her in a bedroom, and raped her repeatedly.

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Post by jacquesm »

morpheos137 wrote: post #125
jacquesm wrote: post #99

I had a tacit agreement with a homeless guy I discovered one day sleeping in my car. I'll keep the doors unlocked and you don't mess it up and by 7 am you're gone. He was by far the best tenant I ever had, we did this for close to two years and then I moved. The area where I lived was an older industrial zone in the East of Amsterdam, there wasn't a whole lot around there other than a salvation army post and I figure…

That is great but not all homeless are benign. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Lynn_Sells >On May 13, 1992, a 19-year-old woman in Charleston, West Virginia, was driving when she saw Sells panhandling under an overpass with a sign that said, "I will work for food."[1] She felt sorry for him and took him to her home, asking him to wait outside. She went into her home to get some food for him, and by the time…

Neither are all people that are housed normally.

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Post by morpheos137 »

jacquesm wrote: post #127
morpheos137 wrote: post #125

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That is great but not all homeless are benign. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Lynn_Sells >On May 13, 1992, a 19-year-old woman in Charleston, West Virginia, was driving when she saw Sells panhandling under an overpass with a sign that said, "I will work for food."[1] She felt sorry for him and took him to her home, asking him to wait outside. She went into her home to get some food for him, and by the time…

Neither are all people that are housed normally.

True but your property should be your safe space. You are free to welcome homeless into your home or car if you want but understand that by doing so you are taking a risk.

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Post by retrac »

morpheos137 wrote: post #125
jacquesm wrote: post #99

I had a tacit agreement with a homeless guy I discovered one day sleeping in my car. I'll keep the doors unlocked and you don't mess it up and by 7 am you're gone. He was by far the best tenant I ever had, we did this for close to two years and then I moved. The area where I lived was an older industrial zone in the East of Amsterdam, there wasn't a whole lot around there other than a salvation army post and I figure…

That is great but not all homeless are benign. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Lynn_Sells >On May 13, 1992, a 19-year-old woman in Charleston, West Virginia, was driving when she saw Sells panhandling under an overpass with a sign that said, "I will work for food."[1] She felt sorry for him and took him to her home, asking him to wait outside. She went into her home to get some food for him, and by the time…

The same reasoning could be used to avoid interacting with everyone. It's not too hard to find stories of pizza delivery rapists. Always use caution, particularly with someone with typical markers for erratic behaviour, which homelessness in fairness counts as. Anecdotally, I've sat down and had conversations with innumerable people like that, and invited a few into my home. Few made me worried (other than for them). No one has ever attacked me. One young man tried to steal my wallet. Your mileage may of course vary.

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Post by Jcowell »

tarun_anand wrote: post #77
bjelkeman-again wrote: post #39

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Also weekends have had a quite long tradition of having more general interest subjects posted.

Not noticed it but as I said we always have the option to look elsewhere for "hacker" news

Yes but we don’t always have the option to see hacker news discussion. I personally invite to see HN’s viewpoints on non-“hacker” topics.
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