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Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by 8bitsrule » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 11:28 PM UTC

boomboomsubban wrote: post #294

koboll wrote: post #133

Cool site, but the News Ticker is absolutely infested with debunked 9/11 truther "evidence". (Go to the point where the first plane hits and the point where each tower collapses, and you'll see what I mean.) The whole thing kinda seems like a sly attempt by a truther to indoctrinate schoolkids. A little distasteful.

A lot of the "truther" nonsense came from the day of the attack when nobody really had any idea what the hell was happening. It wasn't immediately clear that a plane hit the first tower to cause the damage, it wasn't clear it was an attack and not an accident until the second plane hit, and it wasn't clear the planes alone caused the collapse for days at least. Hell, for like an hour the Pentagon attack was considere…

After the Pentagon was hit, I recall looking at early images of the wall supposedly struck by a Boing 757 (Fl 77) going hundreds of miles an hour. The size of the hole didn't look jet-sized. There were no visible wing or engine marks on the nearby walls. No videos emerged to show what struck the wall or knocked down the light standards.

Physically, to this day, that whole scenario is confusing, and there's been little evidence to clarify it.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by l33tbro » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 11:33 PM UTC

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #266

This site is interesting, but I was surprised to see some 9/11 conspiracy theory elements in the News Ticker. Specifically, the "Janitor Hears Explosion from WTC Basement" in the news ticker includes claims that an explosion occurred in the basement 40 seconds before the first plane impact. Some quick Googling shows that this janitor and another associate went on to try to build a careers on top of these conspiracy t…

There were definitely a few curious anomolies that day. I wouldn't say it's a conspiracy, because I'm not sure I undertand the motive.

But certainly the Israeli nationals that were caught celebrating as the first planes hit [1] is very, very strange. Especially considering that at least two of them had ties back to Israeli intelligence [2].

I try to be charitable, but the logic is all screwy.

• So there's a Mossad operation, as Israel claimed when sprung by NYPD/FBI, looking for terror cells in greater NYC at the time? Fine.

• This Mossad operation took the form of setting up removalist companies that were a front? Okay, weird, but sure.

• On the morning of the attacks, these removalists/agents are positioned on top of a building in Jersey to see the first plane hit and are witnessed celebrating, taking footage of it. Right.

• The agents are busted with passports and plane tickets leaving the country that day. The guy running the company 'Urban Moving Systems', ditches flees the country back to Israel [3].

Draw your own conclusions. This is the aspect of this tragedy that always seemed under-reported and also hints that there was likely a far larger narrative at play.

[1] https://www.scribd.com/document/409691150/FOIA-Release-of-9-...

[2] https://web.archive.org/web/20030413184526/http://www.forwar...

[3] https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/08/321316.html

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by QuarterReptile » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 11:33 PM UTC

rtkwe wrote: post #212

542458 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re: Indian Point - containment buildings are pretty armoured by design. The Indian point containment vessel walls are several feet of high-grade steel reinforced concrete. You might be thinking of the skinny, low quality rebar used in common construction at this point - this isn’t that, the rebar here is 2.25 inches thick, made of good-quality steel, and spaced every fifteen inches or so. The containment building is…

You'd be more likely to damage enough of the cooling and control systems to cause an issue but it most likely wouldn't lead to a meltdown since Indian Point was a PWR reactor and those use the liquid water as a moderator so if it starts to overheat it naturally lowers it's own reactivity.

Of course it's a little more complicated than that, because decay heat is the concern in a loss of cooling scenario. Having said that, I can't speak to the Indian Point design at all.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by mistermann » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 11:35 PM UTC

ISL wrote: post #44

If watching this footage makes you want to stand up and do something, remember that Covid-19 is killing as many people in the US every two days as died in these attacks. Take small steps to make the world a better place, helping your neighbors, and you can take a stand against entropy.

> Take small steps to make the world a better place, helping your neighbors, and you can take a stand against entropy.

A different way to think about it: what if individuals independently taking small steps in only sufficient to maintain the status quo? What if the true state of reality is that something larger is needed, and is possible, but will never come to be because we never even tried to find it?

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by aqsalose » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 11:35 PM UTC

leesalminen wrote: post #29

9/11 was my birthday, and I was just outside of NYC in school that day. I was in math class. The phone in the classroom rang and my teacher turned on the radio (1010 WINS) immediately. After hearing what had happened she broke down in tears because her husband worked in WTC. My parents worked in NYC (as did most of my classmates' parents) and was very concerned. The school district evacuated the elementary schools to…

>He told me to never forget, and I never will.

Genuinely curious: How do you think these experiences have influenced you and your outlook on world?

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by mistermann » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 11:41 PM UTC

bellyfullofbac wrote: post #148

teawrecks wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe a lot of the phenomena we see today, rampant conspiracies, misinformation, distrust in govt, political divisiveness, willingness to support a demagogue, rise in nationalism and domestic terrorism, can all be linked back to 9/11. The goal of the attack was to strike fear into the hearts of Americans on a level that we simply couldn't comprehend, a lasting fear that fundamentally changes our society, a fear t…

All those things you write in the 1st paragraph, I wonder if it's 9/11 or the continued spread of Internet access. Previously if you thought the earth was flat, your friends in school or work would laugh at you. Nowadays you can google anything and find a community totally into that idea, and they are indeed communities because they'll quickly indoctrinate that the rest of society/big government/the secret elite caba…

Worth noting: most of us belong to several such communities, but we tend not to realize or consider it, as flat earthers do not realize what they do.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by boomboomsubban » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 11:47 PM UTC

8bitsrule wrote: post #361

boomboomsubban wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of the "truther" nonsense came from the day of the attack when nobody really had any idea what the hell was happening. It wasn't immediately clear that a plane hit the first tower to cause the damage, it wasn't clear it was an attack and not an accident until the second plane hit, and it wasn't clear the planes alone caused the collapse for days at least. Hell, for like an hour the Pentagon attack was considere…

After the Pentagon was hit, I recall looking at early images of the wall supposedly struck by a Boing 757 (Fl 77) going hundreds of miles an hour. The size of the hole didn't look jet-sized. There were no visible wing or engine marks on the nearby walls. No videos emerged to show what struck the wall or knocked down the light standards. Physically, to this day, that whole scenario is confusing, and there's been littl…

Images of the wall came hours if not days later, at first basically all the coverage had was one nearby road camera moved to show smoke.

There has been ample evidence of what happened. Though there is little video footage, only a few frames from low quality security cams, there are many pictures of the wreckage showing debris from a plane.

At 10 AM on 9/11 it was unclear what happened. Now it's very clear.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by emmelaich » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 11:50 PM UTC

maybelsyrup wrote: post #224

photochemsyn wrote: post #62

When reviewing 9/11 attacks (likely the biggest and most disastrous intelligence failure in U.S. history, give or take Pearl Harbor), it's worth remembering that it could have been much worse. If the first plane had hit Indian Point nuclear reactor what, 30 miles from NYC and upwind? It's likely a Chernobyl/Fukushima disaster would have resulted with an exclusion zone well into NYC. That was reportedly part of the pl…

Never forget: the CIA, at the highest levels, knew that two of the 9/11 hijackers had multiple-entry visas to the US and were living in the country in the year before the attacks. They knew they were al-Qaeda, and they knew they were important enough to have been at a big AQ powwow in Kuala Lumpur in 2000. CIA management prevented this information from being disseminated by FBI agents posted inside "Alec Station", th…

> CIA management prevented this information from being disseminated by FBI agents

This was at least partly due to the Freeh / Reno policy of limiting info sharing between the agencies.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by avaika » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 11:50 PM UTC

davidw wrote: post #12

I'm old enough to have pretty vivid memories of watching a lot of this live. I don't really want to relive it. Keep the memories alive? Certainly. But rewatching? Too much. Also, while we can't change the past, we're facing a massive challenge that is devouring thousands of people on a daily basis; let's commit to doing everything we can to defeat that particular monster. That is something we can all help with, in ou…

It doesn't have to be too old actually. I was just 13 when everything happened. And I do remember that day very clear. Somehow a lot of small details are still in my head. Like the couch I was sitting on or how I was just watching live news all day long or the buildings pictures on TV.

I was based in Moscow, Russia. And I was politically brainwashed fairly good (thx, Dad). Means USA was some kind of world villain center for the small me. Even though it was crystal clear for me, that 9/11 is something which should never happen to anyone. Moreover recent terrorist attacks [0] in Russia were still very fresh in my memory. Well, it was just a couple of months after I finally stopped thinking in before-sleep time whether I will survive the night or not. 9/11 helped to revive that fear.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by xwowsersx » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 11:59 PM UTC

This is a really cool and useful project. For some reason, the TV tuner shows static on all channels for me. Is it supposed to show coverage from those stations for those times?