Even a lot of the domestic political polarization and social crackup we see in America today can be traced back to the divisions that be Iraq War created.
'The world 9/11 created: What if the U.S. had not invaded Iraq?'
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#12A news story from September 2002: > CBS News has learned that barely five hours after American Airlines Flight 77 plowed into the Pentagon, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld was telling his aides to come up with plans for striking Iraq — even though there was no evidence linking Saddam Hussein to the attacks. * https://www.cbsnews.com/news/plans-for-iraq-attack-began-on-...
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#14I always assumed GWB just wanted to invade Iraq and used whatever he could get his hands on as an excuse. There still would "be" WMDs in Iraq even regardless of 9/11.
He may well have believed the whispers in his ear from the war hawks. There was a systematic process of presenting him with distorted information.
The way canadian and American intelligence came to different conclusions about the same data is suggestive though.
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#15A statistic from the article: "The Watson Institute at Brown University calculates that 184,382 to 207,156 Iraqi civilians were directly killed in war-related violence between the start of the American invasion in March 2003 through October 2019. But the researchers suggest the real figure may well be several times higher."
These numbers are really important, especially on a day like today. It's strange how much of a spectacle [1] 9/11 was, almost made for TV. Our 3000 victims of terror are thus acknowledged, depicted, and disseminated throughout the world. As a result, they're remembered in some sense too. But the hundreds of thousands more whom we maim, torture, and kill across the globe are given no such status -- they're barely even…
Re: 'The world 9/11 created: What if the U.S. had not invaded Iraq?'
#16A statistic from the article: "The Watson Institute at Brown University calculates that 184,382 to 207,156 Iraqi civilians were directly killed in war-related violence between the start of the American invasion in March 2003 through October 2019. But the researchers suggest the real figure may well be several times higher."
These numbers are really important, especially on a day like today. It's strange how much of a spectacle [1] 9/11 was, almost made for TV. Our 3000 victims of terror are thus acknowledged, depicted, and disseminated throughout the world. As a result, they're remembered in some sense too. But the hundreds of thousands more whom we maim, torture, and kill across the globe are given no such status -- they're barely even…
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#17I always assumed GWB just wanted to invade Iraq and used whatever he could get his hands on as an excuse. There still would "be" WMDs in Iraq even regardless of 9/11.
He may well have believed the whispers in his ear from the war hawks. There was a systematic process of presenting him with distorted information.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
These numbers are really important, especially on a day like today. It's strange how much of a spectacle [1] 9/11 was, almost made for TV. Our 3000 victims of terror are thus acknowledged, depicted, and disseminated throughout the world. As a result, they're remembered in some sense too. But the hundreds of thousands more whom we maim, torture, and kill across the globe are given no such status -- they're barely even…
It’s probably because they’re our people. It’s normal to most acknowledge our own victims.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
He may well have believed the whispers in his ear from the war hawks. There was a systematic process of presenting him with distorted information.
It could also have been as simple as Saddam had once tried to assassinate GW's daddy and GW was ok with anything detrimental to Iraq's leadership.
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#20I always assumed GWB just wanted to invade Iraq and used whatever he could get his hands on as an excuse. There still would "be" WMDs in Iraq even regardless of 9/11.