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'The world 9/11 created: What if the U.S. had not invaded Iraq?'

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The Bush administration’s post-9/11 policies have done immeasurable harm to the U.S. and the world.

Even a lot of the domestic political polarization and social crackup we see in America today can be traced back to the divisions that be Iraq War created.

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A news story from September 2002: > CBS News has learned that barely five hours after American Airlines Flight 77 plowed into the Pentagon, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld was telling his aides to come up with plans for striking Iraq — even though there was no evidence linking Saddam Hussein to the attacks. * https://www.cbsnews.com/news/plans-for-iraq-attack-began-on-...

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I always assumed GWB just wanted to invade Iraq and used whatever he could get his hands on as an excuse. There still would "be" WMDs in Iraq even regardless of 9/11.

He may well have believed the whispers in his ear from the war hawks. There was a systematic process of presenting him with distorted information.

Even if that's true, isn't that an even more damning statement about him as a president? That he wasn't even in control?

The way canadian and American intelligence came to different conclusions about the same data is suggestive though.

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A statistic from the article: "The Watson Institute at Brown University calculates that 184,382 to 207,156 Iraqi civilians were directly killed in war-related violence between the start of the American invasion in March 2003 through October 2019. But the researchers suggest the real figure may well be several times higher."

These numbers are really important, especially on a day like today. It's strange how much of a spectacle [1] 9/11 was, almost made for TV. Our 3000 victims of terror are thus acknowledged, depicted, and disseminated throughout the world. As a result, they're remembered in some sense too. But the hundreds of thousands more whom we maim, torture, and kill across the globe are given no such status -- they're barely even…

Another interesting statistic: more Americans died in the fighting in Iraq than died in the World Trade Center attacks.

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A statistic from the article: "The Watson Institute at Brown University calculates that 184,382 to 207,156 Iraqi civilians were directly killed in war-related violence between the start of the American invasion in March 2003 through October 2019. But the researchers suggest the real figure may well be several times higher."

These numbers are really important, especially on a day like today. It's strange how much of a spectacle [1] 9/11 was, almost made for TV. Our 3000 victims of terror are thus acknowledged, depicted, and disseminated throughout the world. As a result, they're remembered in some sense too. But the hundreds of thousands more whom we maim, torture, and kill across the globe are given no such status -- they're barely even…

It’s probably because they’re our people. It’s normal to most acknowledge our own victims.

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I always assumed GWB just wanted to invade Iraq and used whatever he could get his hands on as an excuse. There still would "be" WMDs in Iraq even regardless of 9/11.

He may well have believed the whispers in his ear from the war hawks. There was a systematic process of presenting him with distorted information.

It could also have been as simple as Saddam had once tried to assassinate GW's daddy and GW was ok with anything detrimental to Iraq's leadership.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

These numbers are really important, especially on a day like today. It's strange how much of a spectacle [1] 9/11 was, almost made for TV. Our 3000 victims of terror are thus acknowledged, depicted, and disseminated throughout the world. As a result, they're remembered in some sense too. But the hundreds of thousands more whom we maim, torture, and kill across the globe are given no such status -- they're barely even…

It’s probably because they’re our people. It’s normal to most acknowledge our own victims.

That can't explain it. Jews are a small % of the population and weren't "our own people", yet the holocaust is considered tragic and given a lot of empathy (far more than many other genocides). Also at that point you can't claim any moral high ground or claim the event is uniquely horrible, but the US and it's citizen do just that.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He may well have believed the whispers in his ear from the war hawks. There was a systematic process of presenting him with distorted information.

It could also have been as simple as Saddam had once tried to assassinate GW's daddy and GW was ok with anything detrimental to Iraq's leadership.

In case younger readers are unaware, this really may have been a motive in itself — GWB was famously quoted saying “he tried to kill my Dad”.

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I always assumed GWB just wanted to invade Iraq and used whatever he could get his hands on as an excuse. There still would "be" WMDs in Iraq even regardless of 9/11.

I assumed he wanted to get back at Saddam Hussein for trying to assassinate his father.
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