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September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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I lived just outside of NYC when this happened. I'll leave it to others to explain what that was like.

What stuck with me was the eeriness of the serene skies after it happened. There are several international airports in the vicinity. There wasn't a plane in the sky afterwards, and the usual contrails were absent.

I didn't see something like that happen again for about another 20 years until the first wave of COVID hit and essentially shutdown air transport.

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9/11 was my birthday, and I was just outside of NYC in school that day. I was in math class. The phone in the classroom rang and my teacher turned on the radio (1010 WINS) immediately. After hearing what had happened she broke down in tears because her husband worked in WTC. My parents worked in NYC (as did most of my classmates' parents) and was very concerned. The school district evacuated the elementary schools to…

Oh yeah I forgot about all the confusion on what else would be attacked! People should talk about that more. Every single piece of infrastructure in the whole country was on people’s minds and locked down! Is there a documentary about that? There is so much possibility for an “isolation thriller” where people’s concerns in their small towns are more the focus than the outcome of what happened by the time the dust set…

Even outside the US - there was some of this.

I was in Brighton Conference Centre (Uk) where Tony Blair was due to give a very heavily trailed speech.

After Tower one got hit we all went out of the main auditorium - I then realized I had stupidly left my bag unattended and had to go back and retrieve it.

After tower two got hit a lot of us started to think what if they have a plane targeting Tony and this building - though its a grim thing to say the RAF QRA where armed

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Not funny

My bad I didn't realize you were the authority on humor.

I'm the authority on humor. A joke has some kind of structure, usually a setup, some kind of carry-through, and a punchline. What you have is a sentence.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Cool site, but the News Ticker is absolutely infested with debunked 9/11 truther "evidence". (Go to the point where the first plane hits and the point where each tower collapses, and you'll see what I mean.) The whole thing kinda seems like a sly attempt by a truther to indoctrinate schoolkids. A little distasteful.

A lot of the "truther" nonsense came from the day of the attack when nobody really had any idea what the hell was happening. It wasn't immediately clear that a plane hit the first tower to cause the damage, it wasn't clear it was an attack and not an accident until the second plane hit, and it wasn't clear the planes alone caused the collapse for days at least. Hell, for like an hour the Pentagon attack was considered either a potentially unrelated fire or a missile attack.

It's unfortunate that this at the moment reporting can reinforce conspiracy theories, but maintaining the uncertainty felt during the day provides a benefit. Much of the day was filled with shock and confusion, with everybody watching the news to try and figure out what was happening.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Re: Indian Point - containment buildings are pretty armoured by design. The Indian point containment vessel walls are several feet of high-grade steel reinforced concrete. You might be thinking of the skinny, low quality rebar used in common construction at this point - this isn’t that, the rebar here is 2.25 inches thick, made of good-quality steel, and spaced every fifteen inches or so. The containment building is…

When the towers were first built, one of the design questions was whether or not they could survive being hit by a 747 — on accident, presumably. So, that issue was taken into consideration. At the time of the attack, more modern aircraft were used, which had much thinner skins and were much more lightly constructed. Which means that they got much more shredded by the building construction as they passed through, and…

The 747s simulated were also near-empty and flying slow, as the assumption was an accidental collision from an airplane lost in fog trying to land. They never simulated one nearly full of fuel running full-tilt.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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If watching this footage makes you want to stand up and do something, remember that Covid-19 is killing as many people in the US every two days as died in these attacks. Take small steps to make the world a better place, helping your neighbors, and you can take a stand against entropy.

Heart disease and cancer kill many more: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm... Beware the myopia that sensationalist news coverage tends to encourage. Never forget all the lives lost. Not just the 3000+ we lost on that horrible day (RIP), but the millions more around the world lost in the wake of the actions we chose, as a nation, to take in the "war on terror".

If there was a vaccine that in one fell swoop (or rather two fell swoops) reduced the mortality rate of heart disease and cancer by 11x, I'd be shouting from the rooftops about it. Until then, let's stop with the false equivalencies.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Unpopular question, how did a plane and jet fuel burn down a steel reinforced building? I believe in the entire history of buildings built as the world trade centers were, the only ones ever that burned down and collapse are these. The only way as civil engineers have explained it to me, that the buildings structural qualities could have been compromised, are with additional heat sources besides a jet and jet fuel. I…

This is a pretty simple layman's terms explanation, and it was also easy to find via Google.com. https://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112....

This is a very long and lengthy explanation, still requiring much technical know how. Thank you for the explanation, but Still seeking an ELI5.

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None of them ELI5, as I’ve originally asked. I’d love an ELI5 perspective. Thank you.

This is the best guide I’ve found: https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a50/1230517/ Goes into depth debunking most of the conspiracies I've heard of. My best ELI5 for the one you are asking about: Does a bar of chocolate need to melt completely into a puddle of liquid before it changes shape and becomes softer? Of course not. The chocolate bar will become mushy and deform before it becomes a liquid. Jet fuel bu…

This was a great explanation. Thank you very much!

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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None of them ELI5, as I’ve originally asked. I’d love an ELI5 perspective. Thank you.

ELI5: While jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel you don't need to melt it to weaken it.

Sucks that my question was downvoted, as this was such a great response and will now be buried.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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> Additionally, the fact that members of the Saudi government aided and assisted the hijackers... Details? My understanding is a huge fraction of the Saudi population have jobs that amount to government sinecures (while immigrants do most of the real work). Are we talking about high-level members with real leadership positions, or some minor member of the royal family working in some ministry doing nothing and going…

Saudi politics and personal relationships are a mess. It is true that Bin Laden is a member of a very powerful family in Saudi and so obviously has a lot of personal connections there as do his close associates. He is however estranged from that family and has been for a very long time, but may have some in Saudi who have grievances against the house of Saud and are sympathetic to the jihadis. Al Qaeda and many other…

> Bin Laden is a member ... He is however estranged

That's a curious way to phrase it, given that he died in 2011.

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