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Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by shkkmo »

heurisko wrote: post #249
corpo_punisho wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

COVID is incredibly dangerous primarily because of how it is spread, not primarily because sick people are taking up hospital beds. The pandemic is first and foremost a health issue, not a resource issue.

I don’t think that’s true. Covid is dangerous precisely because healthcare systems can be overwhelmed. If you receive care and have nocomorbid conditions, Covid for most won’t be dangerous, certainly not as dangerous as the 1918 pandemic, which killed young people.

I think that there is a solid argument that the 1918 epidemic would have killed far fewer people if they had had modern treatments for respiratory distress.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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tyingq wrote: post #229
yyyk wrote: post #209

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>do not forget the >360 000 dead civilians the war on terror has cost so far. Most of them killed by the same people the US targeted. Funny how all responsibility is always given to the West even when the people doing the killing are their enemies. >the taliban back then only refused to hand over Bin Laden without evidence presented Also after he publicly confessed, not to mention his previous crimes. Their refusal h…

>Most of them killed by the same people the US targeted. That just sounds crazy given that our first retaliation for 9/11 was Iraq. Which had nothing to do with 9/11, and further...no "WMDs".

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Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by Bob67568584 »

deadbunny wrote: post #272
Bob67568584 wrote: post #258

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It's quite boringly predictable that someone would immediately link to a conspiracy debunking article. I have not mentioned anything whatsoever about a conspiracy theory. I merely stated that it is "curious", which it very much objectively is, no matter what else you choose to believe about the event. Also interesting is that if you actually read the official report that your link references, it does not provide a de…

The article literally describes what cause the building to collapse. > After 7 hours of uncontrolled fires, a steel girder on Floor 13 lost its connection to one of the 81 columns supporting the building. Floor 13 collapsed, beginning a cascade of floor failures to Floor 5. Column 79, no longer supported by a girder, buckled, triggering a rapid succession of structural failures that moved from east to west. All 23 ce…

Yes they basically say "it collapsed because the fire was hot and caused a critical column to collapse". It's a childish level of explanation, not rigorous and scientific. It says nothing about how such a thing could occur. I've studied mathematics, physics, engineering at university up to Bachelors level and to me this is a very amateurish childish level of analysis. The report is fluffed up with many pages of serious important looking official boilerplate, surrounding this one paragraph that basically says nothing. It's a tautology. No rigorous analysis in this report. That in itself is extremely curious to me.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by tommymachine »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #279
tommymachine wrote: post #274

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I'm not sure how those things discredit the janitor. Are you as critical of the politicians, who have built their livelihoods off of going around speaking to corporate interests? What about the government officials who put out the 9/11 commission report, and were paid for it. Are they similarly implicated by the act of self promotion? Or does that distinction only apply to the janitors of the world?

> I'm not sure how those things discredit the janitor. He claims there was a massive explosion that shook the walls, caused part of the ceiling to cave in, and other significant effects. The obvious source is the plane impact. If there were multiple explosions of the magnitude he claims, surely other people would have noted them. And of course, the standard conspiracy theory caveats apply: Do you really believe that…

"Common sense" isn't that common. Do you also acknowledge the perverse incentives of government bureaucrats to promote their story?

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by Bob67568584 »

Crespyl wrote: post #277
Bob67568584 wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's quite boringly predictable that someone would immediately link to a conspiracy debunking article. I have not mentioned anything whatsoever about a conspiracy theory. I merely stated that it is "curious", which it very much objectively is, no matter what else you choose to believe about the event. Also interesting is that if you actually read the official report that your link references, it does not provide a de…

> It's quite boringly predictable that someone would immediately link to a conspiracy debunking article. It's almost as if the only people still going on about "interesting questions" regarding the destruction of the WTC buildings after two decades of analysis and reports are burner-account conspiracy theorists more interested in fantastic cover-ups than in the ugly and "boring" truth. It should indeed be no surprise…

I'm not a conspiracy theorist and haven't put forward any conspiracy theories. I am intellectually curious. Apparently you have some kind of religious aversion to curiosity.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by steve76 »

Murder is a serious offense. Killing is a serious act. But removing a heretic, however, one of fierce barabarity and animal savagery, one who spreads poison everywhere it goes, brings great celebration and joy to all humanity.

Kill them. Kill them all. Kill them to the very last man. Kill their men, women, and children. Kill their unborned yet to leave the womb. Kill them on the battlefield. Kill them in their homes.

Injustice, victimhood, sympathy, charisma and celebrity means nothing. Have some clarity. It's easy. Anyone who says different is a crook vying for power. Don't listen to them. When we are humiliated or horribly injured, can't contain their happiness, and can't keep them away.

Be blatant about it. Don't try to hide it. You are not fooling anyone. Don't sidequest on keeping them alive. That only validates their cynical superstiton. Let them talk far and wide about what a horrible person I am. I want them to know the full consequences of their actions.

In the past 20 years, no terror attacks. Bin Laden, dead. Zarqawi, dead. Baghdadi, dead. Saddam, dead. Their sons, dead. Qaddaffi, dead. Mubarak, dead. Morsi, dead. Those people died as the porcupine is quiled and the eagle who cares nothing for a storm is feathered. In the past 20 years, we've wielded hypersonic weapons, ballistic lasers, cyber weapons and military branch for outer space. All stem from a culture that retires weapons to the field, that reduces enemies, not creates them, that limits the violence and seeks not to add to it. Life is truly there for you and me to live it. We are not there for the lives of others.

Everyone else, the amoral criminals and ignorant heathens, do everything they can to return humans back to the mud and jungle. Our advancements and civilizations are only there for them to gamify and laugh it, like we are the fools and cowards and children. Imitation. Repetition. Theft. Slavery. Grinding up the lives of others like it was their's to begin with. Their threat hangs off their disgusting culture like decaying morbidity hangs off the rotting dead.

Oh, the world and what it could be if only they were not in it!!!!

Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill them all.

KILL THEM!!!

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by ykl »

jdavis703 wrote: post #193
mlcrypto wrote: post #86

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Too many coincidences. Also we couldn't mobilize any fighter jets at all when a plane goes off course?

We did mobilize fighter jets (albeit without missiles, so essentially if the pilots intercepted it’d likely be a suicide mission). Also after 9/11 people straying in to no fly zones over DC would be escorted out by fighters.

IIRC the fighters that were mobilized planned to ram since they took off without time to load missiles onboard, but all of our fighter keys have ejection seats. I assume the plan was to eject.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

curtis3389 wrote: post #275
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #266

This site is interesting, but I was surprised to see some 9/11 conspiracy theory elements in the News Ticker. Specifically, the "Janitor Hears Explosion from WTC Basement" in the news ticker includes claims that an explosion occurred in the basement 40 seconds before the first plane impact. Some quick Googling shows that this janitor and another associate went on to try to build a careers on top of these conspiracy t…

Other conspiracy theory stuff in the ticker: thermite conspiracy & something about ELTs going off before explosions. Surprised the creator didn't cram a remote control box mention in the ticker. I hadn't seen the ELT stuff before, and a quick and lazy google didn't turn up a good debunking. Anyone have anything about ELTs being picked up @ 8:44 AM and ~8:59 AM? I don't buy any of the conspiracies, just curious. The s…

> I hadn't seen the ELT stuff before, and a quick and lazy google didn't turn up a good debunking. Anyone have anything about ELTs being picked up @ 8:44 AM and ~8:59 AM?

I only did a quick search. Found this transcript where someone mentions they saw a brief ELT blip on 121.5MHz: http://web.archive.org/web/20210718083443/https://www.nytime...

A quick read of the ELT description ( https://www.aopa.org/advocacy/aircraft/aircraft-operations/e... ) shows that the 121.5MHz ELTs are associated with a high number of false triggers:

> In 2009, the international COSPAS-SARSAT satellite system discontinued satellite-based monitoring of the 121.5/243 MHz frequencies, in part because of a high number of false signals attributed with these frequencies.

Apparently the earliest 121.5MHz ELTs had a ridiculously high false trigger rate of 97 percent, which explains why they were deprecated:

> Historically, these ELT’s have experienced an activation rate of less than 25 percent in actual crashes and a 97 percent false-alarm rate.

So if false triggers were a known issue and the ELT signal was only seen extremely briefly, it's more likely someone taking a common occurrence out of context.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by kjellsbells »

dharmab wrote: post #19
sharkweek wrote: post #5

I sometimes forget how surreal that day was. Was in high school at the time and sort of at “that age” where the world was still pretty small and revolved around me. Mom waking me up to say “you need to watch this,” with the TV on and both towers are on fire. The morning variety newscasters breaking their household familiarity speaking in a frightening shock that was so out of character. Still went to school that day…

There are very few days in history where so much changes in a single day. There's a very clear "before and after". In my opinion, the 1990s began on Nov 9 1989 and ended on Sep 11 2001.

The historian Eric Hobsbawm once wrote that the 19th century didn't end until the cataclysm of 1914, and that the 20th finished early with the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1989. I think 1990-2001 was an innocent decade and the 21st century started on 9/11.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by [deleted] »

tommymachine wrote: post #284
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not sure how those things discredit the janitor. He claims there was a massive explosion that shook the walls, caused part of the ceiling to cave in, and other significant effects. The obvious source is the plane impact. If there were multiple explosions of the magnitude he claims, surely other people would have noted them. And of course, the standard conspiracy theory caveats apply: Do you really believe that…

"Common sense" isn't that common. Do you also acknowledge the perverse incentives of government bureaucrats to promote their story?

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