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Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by mannanj »

neogodless wrote: post #237
mannanj wrote: post #156

Unpopular question, how did a plane and jet fuel burn down a steel reinforced building? I believe in the entire history of buildings built as the world trade centers were, the only ones ever that burned down and collapse are these. The only way as civil engineers have explained it to me, that the buildings structural qualities could have been compromised, are with additional heat sources besides a jet and jet fuel. I…

This is a pretty simple layman's terms explanation, and it was also easy to find via Google.com. https://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112....

Thank you. I’ll check it out shortly.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by [deleted] »

Tenoke wrote: post #36

I was 9 and angry that they interupted my tv show to show news (adult stuff) from the other side of the world. 20 years later and I have a better understanding of the situation but in a lot of ways I think everyone reacted and keeps reacting just how the terrorists wanted. It's tragic but if this wasn't in America I likely wouldnt have even heard about the event nor would it be influencing my life this much later due…

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Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by rkk3 »

polytely wrote: post #64
chitowneats wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heart disease and cancer kill many more: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm... Beware the myopia that sensationalist news coverage tends to encourage. Never forget all the lives lost. Not just the 3000+ we lost on that horrible day (RIP), but the millions more around the world lost in the wake of the actions we chose, as a nation, to take in the "war on terror".

Heart disease and cancer aren't contagious, so your actions on that front will only improve your own life, while being a bit more careful with covid will potentially prevent sickness in a lot of people.

>Heart disease and cancer aren't contagious, so your actions on that front will only improve your own life

No, they inflict massive negative externalities on society through healthcare.

> while being a bit more careful with covid will potentially prevent sickness in a lot of people.

Classic Safety-ism. Even today, 20 years after 9/11 and we are still paying a ludicrous price for this logic.

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Post by codeulike »

Metafilter was around back then, I wont link to it but its pretty easy to find the metafilter thread from that day, its a way of sensing the confusion that I remember from that day as events unfolded. Reading through it I was suprised to see that the US was sending cruise missiles into Afghanistan within about 9 hours.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by dylan604 »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #152
vmception wrote: post #92

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We could have done regime change in Saudi Arabia and still had petrodollars Sometimes its useful to think inside the box But yeah current Saudi Arabia is a good deal for the US, hard to get others so heavily intertwined financially. Might as well not touch it.

I don’t really understand what US/allies get from maintaining a theocracy in SA, chevron and british petroleum predate the modern kingdom, right? why is it good business sense to let the royal family siphon cash like there’s no tomorrow? seems to me a political explanation is more likely, probably related to the holy war with Iran. In that case I never really understood why we took an anti-theocratic stance there.

The devil you know...

If you hold an election after toppling a non-democratic government, you never know if that's going to be the last election or not. Also, you just can't trust that the people will elect your "guy". If you're already "controlling" the current leadership, no need to turn over the apple cart.

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Post by kgeist »

I was in middle school in Russia back then. I remember our teacher dedicated a whole hour to watching and discussing the news. It resonated because Russia was also experiencing acts of terror by Muslim fundamentalists. It was way before USA and Russia became enemies again. Two months later Putin would visit Bush's ranch.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by mynameishere »

codeulike wrote: post #244

Metafilter was around back then, I wont link to it but its pretty easy to find the metafilter thread from that day, its a way of sensing the confusion that I remember from that day as events unfolded. Reading through it I was suprised to see that the US was sending cruise missiles into Afghanistan within about 9 hours.

https://www.metafilter.com/10034/Plane-crashes-in-to-the-wor...

Just to save people time and Metafilter's servers possible wear-and-tear.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by heurisko »

corpo_punisho wrote: post #126
tommymachine wrote: post #114

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So heart disease and cancer don't take up ICU beds?

COVID is incredibly dangerous primarily because of how it is spread, not primarily because sick people are taking up hospital beds. The pandemic is first and foremost a health issue, not a resource issue.

I don’t think that’s true. Covid is dangerous precisely because healthcare systems can be overwhelmed.

If you receive care and have nocomorbid conditions, Covid for most won’t be dangerous, certainly not as dangerous as the 1918 pandemic, which killed young people.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by slapfrog »

kristiandupont wrote: post #208
vmception wrote: post #85

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Oh yeah I forgot about all the confusion on what else would be attacked! People should talk about that more. Every single piece of infrastructure in the whole country was on people’s minds and locked down! Is there a documentary about that? There is so much possibility for an “isolation thriller” where people’s concerns in their small towns are more the focus than the outcome of what happened by the time the dust set…

I recall a big anthrax scare in the weeks following. Lots of people were sending white powder to official addresses.

> Lots of people were sending white powder to official addresses.

It turned out that anthrax came from a government lab, and was supposedly sent by a single rogue employee... though doubts linger.

There were some hoaxes and bogus scares too though of course. One of my classmates almost got suspended for having foot powder in his gym bag.. thankfully cooler heads prevailed when school officials realized the kid had athletes foot and thought to doubt how a teenage boy could have plausibly procured weaponized anthrax spores in the first place. But yes, the hysteria was palpable.

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