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Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

ipaddr wrote: post #25
ineedasername wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure it's worse than misinformation. In my field, bad data often has a more damaging impact than no data . But I suppose it will depend on the circumstances, and I'd honestly be interested to hear your thoughts on why censorship is worse. As for the inevitability of abuse? When it comes to corporate interests, that seems to be nearly axiomatic. The Verge's list of fascinating & horrifying exchange at Apple ab…

Bad data vs no data at all? I would think no data would put you out of a job while bad data would require more hires to filter the data.

Authoritarian countries collapse because everyone is lying about reality. Same thing happens with metric driven management.

Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Post by dredmorbius »

ipaddr wrote: post #25
ineedasername wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure it's worse than misinformation. In my field, bad data often has a more damaging impact than no data . But I suppose it will depend on the circumstances, and I'd honestly be interested to hear your thoughts on why censorship is worse. As for the inevitability of abuse? When it comes to corporate interests, that seems to be nearly axiomatic. The Verge's list of fascinating & horrifying exchange at Apple ab…

Bad data vs no data at all? I would think no data would put you out of a job while bad data would require more hires to filter the data.

No data clearly indicates that there is no data.

A statement of "I don't know' clearly indicates a lack of knowledge.

A statemnt of "I have no opinion" clearly indicates that the speaker has not formed an opinion.

In each case, a spurious generated response:

1. Is generally accepted as prima facie evidence of what it purports.

2. Must be specifically analysed and assessed.

3. Is itself subject to repetition and/or amplification. With empirical evidence suggesting that falsehoods outcompete truths, particularly on large networks operating at flows which overload rational assessment.

4. Competes for attention with other information, including the no-signal case specifically, which does very poorly against false claims as it is literally nothing competing against an often very loud something.

Yes: bad data is much, much, much, much worse than no data.

Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Post by ipaddr »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #23
th0ma5 wrote: post #7

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If the article is correct, that’s what they are doing and Facebook is using their market and financial dominance to stop it. How is “they’re a private company, make your own” still being used as an argument when situation is obviously beyond that? We have conclusive evidence from FAANG and Governments that they work together. You practically CAN’T make your own Facebook. Facebook will stop you one way or another. Goo…

"You practically CAN’T make your own. Facebook will stop you one way or another. Google who has a dollar or two"

Google+ was successful and Google shut it down for Google reasons. If they gave away Google+ instead I can't think of anyone who wouldn't gladly take it off of their hands.

You can make your own facebook and facebook will not stop you. But people don't want another facebook, many are realizing they probably want off of facebook, replacing it with something similiar isn't helpful. What facebook offers (network effect) is the main value of the platform and replicating that is virtually impossible; nevermind in the same form as facebook.

Having Google+'s code day one would mean little without the users.

Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Post by dredmorbius »

lamontcg wrote: post #34
ineedasername wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure it's worse than misinformation. In my field, bad data often has a more damaging impact than no data . But I suppose it will depend on the circumstances, and I'd honestly be interested to hear your thoughts on why censorship is worse. As for the inevitability of abuse? When it comes to corporate interests, that seems to be nearly axiomatic. The Verge's list of fascinating & horrifying exchange at Apple ab…

It looks like we're going to get a massive test of largely misinformation (US) vs. largely censorship (China) writ large in the coming decades. Place your bets on the outcome.

From my understanding, China's model of media control focuses more on dillution and distraction than on overt censorship.

Both exist. But the larger effort is put into distraction.

The recent Russian model is more on bullshit and subverting notions of trust entirely.

American propaganda seems largely based on a) what sells and b) promoting platitudes, wishful thinking, and c) (at least historically) heart-warming (rather than overtly divisive) notions of nationalism.

The c) case is now trending more toward divisive and heat-worming.

Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Post by rgrieselhuber »

chmod600 wrote: post #4

Censorship is always abused. Maybe this time or maybe not. But it's always abused. And yes, it's worse than misinformation.

Censorship is the sloppiest possible solution to the epistemological crisis. I thought we figured this out during the Enlightenment.

Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Post by ALittleLight »

ipaddr wrote: post #25
ineedasername wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure it's worse than misinformation. In my field, bad data often has a more damaging impact than no data . But I suppose it will depend on the circumstances, and I'd honestly be interested to hear your thoughts on why censorship is worse. As for the inevitability of abuse? When it comes to corporate interests, that seems to be nearly axiomatic. The Verge's list of fascinating & horrifying exchange at Apple ab…

Bad data vs no data at all? I would think no data would put you out of a job while bad data would require more hires to filter the data.

As a metaphor, you can imagine a blind person in the wilderness who has no idea what is in front of him. He will proceed cautiously, perhaps probing the ground with a stick or his foot. You could also imagine a delusional man in the same wilderness incorrectly believing he's in the middle of a foot race. The delusional man just run forward at full speed. If the pair are in front of a cliff...

As the saying goes, it's not what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.

Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Post by breakingcups »

ineedasername wrote: post #32

Interesting how "because COVID" has become the thinly veiled excuse here. A similar manifestation of the "think of the children" trope that can be used to manipulate emotions and shut down dissent.

If there's one job that doesn't exactly depend on what location you're working from...

Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Post by [deleted] »

david_allison wrote: post #21
tyingq wrote: post #14

This part is interesting... "We have fewer reviewers available right now because of the coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak..." That smells fishy. Seems like a job that would be a really good fit for work-from-home. Wouldn't you then have more reviewers available? Or maybe the exposure to graphic content means they do this in the office?

I believe that using the line 'our lines are busy right now' cuts down on complaints. I assume this was A/B tested and found that it has the same effect. Until very recently, Google Play also had a similar notice without mentioning COVID when an app was in for review.

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Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Post by whatshisface »

rgrieselhuber wrote: post #56
chmod600 wrote: post #4

Censorship is always abused. Maybe this time or maybe not. But it's always abused. And yes, it's worse than misinformation.

Censorship is the sloppiest possible solution to the epistemological crisis. I thought we figured this out during the Enlightenment.

New people are being born every day who weren't around for the steps forward made in the past. If only there was an institution that could step up to the task of teaching them. Instead there are institutions for getting them to buy toys and making them do algebra drills.
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