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Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Post by david_allison »

tyingq wrote: post #14

This part is interesting... "We have fewer reviewers available right now because of the coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak..." That smells fishy. Seems like a job that would be a really good fit for work-from-home. Wouldn't you then have more reviewers available? Or maybe the exposure to graphic content means they do this in the office?

I believe that using the line 'our lines are busy right now' cuts down on complaints. I assume this was A/B tested and found that it has the same effect.

Until very recently, Google Play also had a similar notice without mentioning COVID when an app was in for review.

Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

th0ma5 wrote: post #7

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If the article is correct, that’s what they are doing and Facebook is using their market and financial dominance to stop it.

How is “they’re a private company, make your own” still being used as an argument when situation is obviously beyond that? We have conclusive evidence from FAANG and Governments that they work together.

You practically CAN’T make your own Facebook. Facebook will stop you one way or another. Google who has a dollar or two, tried and failed spectacularly. Do you know how much better an organic startup would need to be to rival Google’s Day1 investment in Plus?

Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Post by ineedasername »

HideousKojima wrote: post #10
bashinator wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Censorship being “worse than misinformation” seems like whataboutism, given that FB has serious problems with both.

It's not a whataboutism, it's pointing out that with one of the most popular proposed solutions to misinformation, censorship, the cure is worse than the disease.

I like the quote the from the Supreme court on the topic:

"If there be time to expose through discussion, the falsehoods and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence"

However, I think it's also important to recognize that in today's algorithmically driven content presentation, "more speech" is often comically ineffective because it is never consumed in the emergent content bubbles that silo people from contradictory information. Not to mention the fact that misinformation that confirms your preconceptions is a much more powerful influence than actual information that contradicts them. Given this, an important caveat embedded in the above quote is: "If there be time". A recognition of the fact that, in some circumstances, there will not be an opportunity for more speech to prevail.

I don't have a solution to this. There may be no good solution to this, except lesser degrees of bad solutions.

Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Post by ipaddr »

ineedasername wrote: post #13
chmod600 wrote: post #4

Censorship is always abused. Maybe this time or maybe not. But it's always abused. And yes, it's worse than misinformation.

I'm not sure it's worse than misinformation. In my field, bad data often has a more damaging impact than no data . But I suppose it will depend on the circumstances, and I'd honestly be interested to hear your thoughts on why censorship is worse. As for the inevitability of abuse? When it comes to corporate interests, that seems to be nearly axiomatic. The Verge's list of fascinating & horrifying exchange at Apple ab…

Bad data vs no data at all? I would think no data would put you out of a job while bad data would require more hires to filter the data.

Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Post by Nextgrid »

tyingq wrote: post #14

This part is interesting... "We have fewer reviewers available right now because of the coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak..." That smells fishy. Seems like a job that would be a really good fit for work-from-home. Wouldn't you then have more reviewers available? Or maybe the exposure to graphic content means they do this in the office?

Covid is just a convenient excuse that people somehow still keep swallowing. If 2 years on covid is still a problem for you, that's less the fault of covid and more that you are incompetent at running your business.

Surprisingly enough I've had more "our response to covid-19" and similar crap from tech companies that would be near-immune to it than from companies that would legitimately be impacted by it (those whose business requires on-site staff, etc).

Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Post by invokestatic »

tyingq wrote: post #14

This part is interesting... "We have fewer reviewers available right now because of the coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak..." That smells fishy. Seems like a job that would be a really good fit for work-from-home. Wouldn't you then have more reviewers available? Or maybe the exposure to graphic content means they do this in the office?

I know someone who works in content moderation at Google and they said the company requires them to come in to the office for data security reasons. They even have to put their phone in a locker while they are actually reviewing content. I think it makes sense considering the kind of content they review (including CSAM).

Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

Ekaros wrote: post #15
pope_meat wrote: post #12

I'm fighting Facebook by not participating. I implore the rest of you to do the same. As we leave, the folks remaining will have less reasons to stay. A trickle can turn in to a torrent. Don't worry about an alternative even, we'll find something new when we do, until then, a bit of a detox from the feed will do us good.

Haven't used Facebook in years. Only reason I ever access it is to see some business info. As for some stupid reason they don't have proper internet presence with up to date information.

I used Marketplace for a minute before becoming permanently banned beyond appeal for selling a computer and making a Bitcoin joke in the listing. So I’m done there.

Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Post by [deleted] »

tyingq wrote: post #14

This part is interesting... "We have fewer reviewers available right now because of the coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak..." That smells fishy. Seems like a job that would be a really good fit for work-from-home. Wouldn't you then have more reviewers available? Or maybe the exposure to graphic content means they do this in the office?

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Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Post by theknocker »

Imnimo wrote: post #8

I doubt anyone at Facebook is freaking out about Mastodon and setting out to censor all mention of it. It's probably just a keyword or link that tends to co-appear with other, actually rule-breaking content, and some automated system has learned to block it. Still, it does seem like the sort of thing that could get Facebook in trouble with a regulator if you squint at it.

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