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Heart disease and cancer kill many more: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm... Beware the myopia that sensationalist news coverage tends to encourage. Never forget all the lives lost. Not just the 3000+ we lost on that horrible day (RIP), but the millions more around the world lost in the wake of the actions we chose, as a nation, to take in the "war on terror".
Heart disease and cancer are an aggregate of very many diseases — there are many types of heart diseases (stroke, cardiac arrest, coronary artery disease), and many types of cancers. COVID is a single disease that has killed many multiples more than a single heart disease or cancer.
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#162I was 9 and angry that they interupted my tv show to show news (adult stuff) from the other side of the world. 20 years later and I have a better understanding of the situation but in a lot of ways I think everyone reacted and keeps reacting just how the terrorists wanted. It's tragic but if this wasn't in America I likely wouldnt have even heard about the event nor would it be influencing my life this much later due…
> It's tragic but if this wasn't in America I likely wouldnt have even heard about the event nor would it be influencing my life this much later due to the ways others have reacted to it. I hope this doesn't read as disrespectful. I definitely agree to an extent with the sentiment of this - there are numerous attacks in recent times across the world that have killed hundreds of people each and they generally receive…
Well, I haven't really heard of the 2nd and 3rd one (though hard to compare) on the list and I doubt they've gotten even 1% of the coverage.
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#163Watching the footage on this site reminds me of how I watched the events unfold on 9/11. I was at work at Apple in IL2 (Building 2 of the Infinite Loop campus.) People started getting calls on their desk phones and co-workers coming in started to share the news. An email came from Steve Jobs which I can't remember the exact contents of. One thing the email did have, was a link that was a live video news stream of the…
How much of Apple’s current security measures were a result of 9/11? The parking garage, tailgating, and badging everywhere i always thought were due to Apple’s culture of secrecy.
There was a big change after 9/11 of the overall security posture. Internal security measures kept ramping up year after year as people started leaking. You used to be able to walk pretty much unhindered through all the buildings. Some lab areas would be locked, but things were open in general.
I never understood the leakers. They were usually caught and fired.
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#164I watched the second plane hit live on CNN. I then spent the rest of the day on my couch watching CNN. My girlfriend was sent home from work around noon and came to join me.
I remember the confusion as to what happened and no one knew if anything else would blow up.
But the other day I remember just as clearly was September 14th, 2001, because I flew on an airplane that day.
The Jewish Holidays were starting on Monday, and my dad and I were flying home together from the Bay Area to LA, and had a flight from Oakland to Burbank. We were told to get there four hours before our flight due to enhanced security, so we did.
The airport was empty. Every airline was offering full refunds to anyone who was scared to fly, and most people took them up on it. My dad and I figured a one hour flight within California probably wasn't going to be a target and decided to risk it.
There were national guardsmen all over the airport open-carrying rifles and handguns. After the metal detectors we had to do a full pat-down and have all of our carry on luggage fully inspected. But since the airport was nearly empty, we were through all of the security in about 10 minutes.
So we walked up to the airline counter to check in for our flight (back when you still had to check in in-person at the counter) and asked them if we could take an earlier flight. There happen to be one leaving in 15 minutes, and the lady thanked us for flying that day and put us on the flight. It was so empty we each had a row to ourselves.
Sept 14th, 2001. The best airport/flying experience I've ever had in my life.
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#165The documentary's particularly interesting, as it follows the efforts of four New Jersey women who lost their husbands in the World Trade Center as they struggle to figure out what happened that day. I hadn't realized that a "9/11 Commission" hadn't been planned or even wanted by people in Washington, and that the victims' families had to make a stink to get one created.
[1] https://www.doubleasteriskmedia.com/rich-blee-podcast [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KhQXKJCJ5Q
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So you're not winning the argument to take away my medical freedom, so now you want to tell me how I'm supposed to post on here? Addicted to tyranny much?
>So you're not winning the argument to take away my medical freedom That wasn't what I was trying to do at all, and I can't really see how you could get that from my initial reply, so I don't think we are going to agree on anything here, have a nice day.
It's a pretty direct line from what you're saying, (a moral imperative to "be careful") to what governments around the world have been trampling over people rights in order to do, which is lock down society, don't leave your house, take the experimental shot under coercion, etc.
And the argument that destroys that propaganda is that it's prioritized not because it's effective in a utilitarian sense in saving lives, but because it's very effective in giving certain people a lot more power, at a great expense to the freedoms of other people.
Maybe you weren't trying to say that, but that's the reality of public discourse on this topic. The moral imperative your are advocating for has been unilaterally adopted by tyrants.
You should take responsibility for advocating a position that in effect removes people's rights. You won't do that, because you'll run from every confrontation that would show you this truth.
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#167Being old enough to remember this very vividly. Sitting in an office in Denmark - the world did change. All the political acts around terrorim that followed has been a sad experience. I never truly believed in these Arabs was clever enough to pull of this stunt, and the amount of missing evidence from that date is to much. Sad day to remember but even more sad that people still don't demand answers
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#168When reviewing 9/11 attacks (likely the biggest and most disastrous intelligence failure in U.S. history, give or take Pearl Harbor), it's worth remembering that it could have been much worse. If the first plane had hit Indian Point nuclear reactor what, 30 miles from NYC and upwind? It's likely a Chernobyl/Fukushima disaster would have resulted with an exclusion zone well into NYC. That was reportedly part of the pl…
Too many coincidences. Also we couldn't mobilize any fighter jets at all when a plane goes off course?
The protocols did not contemplate an intercept. They assumed the fighter escort would be discreet, “vectored to a position five miles directly behind the hijacked aircraft,” where it could perform its mission to monitor the flight path of the aircraft.
In sum, the protocols in place on 9/11 for the FAA and NORAD to respond to a hijacking presumed that:
(1) the hijacked aircraft would be readily identifiable and would not attempt to disappear;
(2) there would be time to address the problem through the appropriate FAA and NORAD chains of command; and
(3) the hijacking would take the traditional form, not a suicide hijacking designed to convert the aircraft into a guided missile.
On the morning of 9/11, the existing protocol was unsuited in every respect for what was about to happen. What ensued was the hurried attempt to create an improvised defense by officials who had never encountered or trained against the situation they faced.
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We could have done regime change in Saudi Arabia and still had petrodollars Sometimes its useful to think inside the box But yeah current Saudi Arabia is a good deal for the US, hard to get others so heavily intertwined financially. Might as well not touch it.
I don’t really understand what US/allies get from maintaining a theocracy in SA, chevron and british petroleum predate the modern kingdom, right? why is it good business sense to let the royal family siphon cash like there’s no tomorrow? seems to me a political explanation is more likely, probably related to the holy war with Iran. In that case I never really understood why we took an anti-theocratic stance there.
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#170I sometimes forget how surreal that day was. Was in high school at the time and sort of at “that age” where the world was still pretty small and revolved around me. Mom waking me up to say “you need to watch this,” with the TV on and both towers are on fire. The morning variety newscasters breaking their household familiarity speaking in a frightening shock that was so out of character. Still went to school that day…
It's not as American-centric as you might think; I'm not from the US but after 9/11 and for several years, I had recurring nightmares about trying to escape from a building that got hit by a plane.
I can't imagine what it was like for people closer to it.