September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time • Hacker News Board

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by kafkaIncarnate » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 4:58 PM UTC

reginold wrote: post #4

Stuff like this makes me wonder if in the future there are entire planets where life is simulated virtually. "Live through the 90s" planet. Would be interesting to have an entire website like this where you can tune to any day and hear the news. And eventually more than just media.

> Would be interesting to have an entire website like this where you can tune to any day and hear the news. And eventually more than just media.

When you mix archive.org Wayback Machine and the back footage of many of the news networks have with their giant software platforms, I'm sure that most news editing rooms are already like this. Probably just a matter of time/infrastructure until we all get a chance to access such things, assuming we don't fall to entropic decay.

I think you'd have to solve the "unified theory" physics equation before you could predict where all particles were in the past, though. So like rewinding and seeing where I am right now and what is happening in my life (or yours). That one I personally am not entirely sure can be accomplished.

There is a Babylon 5 episode about this, though, in season 5. Takes place millions of years in the future.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by photochemsyn » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 4:59 PM UTC

When reviewing 9/11 attacks (likely the biggest and most disastrous intelligence failure in U.S. history, give or take Pearl Harbor), it's worth remembering that it could have been much worse. If the first plane had hit Indian Point nuclear reactor what, 30 miles from NYC and upwind? It's likely a Chernobyl/Fukushima disaster would have resulted with an exclusion zone well into NYC. That was reportedly part of the plan but as I recall they wanted a more media-friendly target.

Additionally, the fact that members of the Saudi government aided and assisted the hijackers, and that they were tracked and monitored by both the FBI and the CIA, yet no action was taken to stop them, not even a simple warning to airlines to increase security after that Aug 6th Presidential Daily Briefing? What a debacle.

We should have left Iraq and Afghanistan alone and done the regime change op in Saudi Arabia, except that Wall Street likes its petrodollars so Washington props up the House of Saud and its theocratic dictatorship. And that's still going on.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by SilasX » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 4:59 PM UTC

dharmab wrote: post #23

phaedrus wrote: post #18

I was in USMC boot camp on 9/11/2001. You don't get much chance to consume media during training, and they put us on lock down and gave us only limited information. We knew kind of serious attack had happened, but not exactly what. By the time I got out of training, the news cycle had moved on so it wasn't until the first anniversary of 9/11 that I saw the news footage of the event for the first time. Coincidentally…

> By the time I got out of training, the news cycle had moved on so it wasn't until the first anniversary of 9/11 that I saw the news footage of the event for the first time. This might seem strange to some younger readers, but remember in 01-02 internet video (and, indeed, internet faster than dial-up) was not ubiquitous. My family has a VHS tape recording of the news that day because that was how the average person…

Heh, funny how fast things changed. In a 2001 episode of South Park, they mock Token for bringing a movie on DVD, assuming their family was rich enough to have a DVD player [1].

But I watched the episode on DVD in 2006, when everyone had one, and so it aged like milk.

[1] https://southpark.fandom.com/wiki/Here_Comes_the_Neighborhoo...

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by polytely » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 5:01 PM UTC

chitowneats wrote: post #54

ISL wrote: post #44

If watching this footage makes you want to stand up and do something, remember that Covid-19 is killing as many people in the US every two days as died in these attacks. Take small steps to make the world a better place, helping your neighbors, and you can take a stand against entropy.

Heart disease and cancer kill many more: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm... Beware the myopia that sensationalist news coverage tends to encourage. Never forget all the lives lost. Not just the 3000+ we lost on that horrible day (RIP), but the millions more around the world lost in the wake of the actions we chose, as a nation, to take in the "war on terror".

Heart disease and cancer aren't contagious, so your actions on that front will only improve your own life, while being a bit more careful with covid will potentially prevent sickness in a lot of people.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by awrglkeh » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 5:02 PM UTC

9/11 was an inside job. So is Covid.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by dunnevens » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 5:02 PM UTC

dharmab wrote: post #34

dragonwriter wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This might seem strange to some younger readers, but remember in 01-02 internet video (and, indeed, internet faster than dial-up) was not ubiquitous. And even if you used internet video (or, heck, even read news online), none of the sources (origins sites and Google and other portals) had the capacity to deal well with the major surge of associated with a event like 9/11. Everything online was spotty or broken unde…

I don't remember which news site, but one of the major ones had to go to a basic text-only format for several hours.

All of the majors stripped down to the basics, IIRC. At least the ones I visited.

Fark and Metafilter held up, but they were text to begin with.

Internet video was interesting that day. Couldn't get any from the major sites because they were hammered. But I remember links would get passed along to some Quicktime clips on personal sites. No cell phone cameras, but small camcorders + Macs with firewire were popular enough that personal footage appeared quickly.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by awrglkeh » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 5:03 PM UTC

ISL wrote: post #44

If watching this footage makes you want to stand up and do something, remember that Covid-19 is killing as many people in the US every two days as died in these attacks. Take small steps to make the world a better place, helping your neighbors, and you can take a stand against entropy.

Government is not fucking entropy.

Government brought down the twin towers.

Government funded covid.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by mathgenius » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 5:03 PM UTC

ISL wrote: post #17

It is incredible reliving this experience, knowing what was to come in the two decades after.

Yes. But also, it was pretty obvious to me at the time what was going to happen, modulo some details.

What I did not predict was that I would end up living in many different cities in many different countries, including Los Angeles and New York City. And by far, Americans are the most kind-hearted, generous and polite people I've found anywhere. Even the beggars in Manhatten would be more interested in how I am going and cheering me up than in actually getting any money out of me.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by SilasX » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 5:03 PM UTC

sharkweek wrote: post #5

I sometimes forget how surreal that day was. Was in high school at the time and sort of at “that age” where the world was still pretty small and revolved around me. Mom waking me up to say “you need to watch this,” with the TV on and both towers are on fire. The morning variety newscasters breaking their household familiarity speaking in a frightening shock that was so out of character. Still went to school that day…

> I think the pandemic has far more historical significance but nothing for me will feel more visceral than 9/11

It’s an interesting comparison, and one I make a lot. 9/11 was in your face, and a bunch of pre planned events were canceled. But that lasted about a week or a month (depending on the kind of event), and people could still gather in public and support each other.

The pandemic was a much slower burn, but also denied us even the ability to gather and required much bigger changes to daily life.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by wggrljlkh » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 5:04 PM UTC

9/11 Was an Inside JOB - So Is Covid 9/11 Was an Inside JOB - So Is Covid 9/11 Was an Inside JOB - So Is Covid