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Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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The author doesn't seem to go into why travel-planning software is not successful, except for that it isn't discoverable since people only use it once in a while. I think the same can be said for a lot of services, like handymen (Angie's List) One other reason is I think that travel planning is hard. Getting multiple people to agree on a destination, hotel, fares etc is all hard work. So most people only plan things…

Surely there's a way to do it better than just over text? It's a 4-dimensional (time and space) experience isn't it: "After lunch on day 2 of the vacation, what attraction do you want to visit?", or, "When do we have time to squeeze a visit in that café that all the Instagrammers post about? [Yeah, like it or not this is the reality]". A Miro[1]-like collaborative map would be interesting, every participant of the tr…

It's more than a 4-dimensional space - it's a probability distribution over 4-dimensional space, one that you want to explore ahead of time, and you never really know for sure where you're on it until your trip is over. I'm yet to see a planning tool that handles this.

What I mean by the "probability distribution" part is, your trip plan isn't really a specific plan - it's a set of possible plans. You may have concerns like, "what if we arrive late on the first day?", or "what if the main attraction for the 2nd day is closed", or "we're not sure at this point where we'll eat", or "oh crap, it's raining today, what do we do?", etc. You have to navigate these questions in your head. I'd love to have a tool that makes this easier.

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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I had founded Flights With Friends for group travel planning shortly before this post. I read it when it came out but knew the point about travel being rare wasn't the cause of these product failures. The trouble with trip planning software is that making one that is 10X better than just planning it manually is very, very difficult. People love thinking about their trip and online tools don't make that more fun for t…

I disagree. Most people love to imagine vacations, but then they realize they have to pay for it. It's only a minority that is "always planning their next trip in their mind", at least where I live. We all have a vague idea of where we wanna go next, but going from vague idea to realization is not very fun for most people. Realization is fun, or at least should be. Tourism is actually dead, and most people feel that deep in.

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Planing trip is soul-crushing for me. All my friends said they super excited when planing, i got completely the opposite impression. All these schedule disaster starting from flight departure and landing time, bad timing produce lots of wasted time, landing to a city at wrong time adds an extra night (lost unnecessary money). Bus schedule is also disaster, "is there any bus" anxiety. Unexpected events suppose to happ…

I’ve done the planning for our last few vacations (2x Scotland, Iceland, Maine, and Charleston SC) and quite enjoyed the research. The key for me is to NOT plan too much. Flights and accommodation, of course, but once in a location, I just list 5-6 things to do in a day and only expected to do 2-3.

A trip that needs highly coordinated planning (tour of Peru including the Inca Trail) got outsourced to a specialist.

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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I had founded Flights With Friends for group travel planning shortly before this post. I read it when it came out but knew the point about travel being rare wasn't the cause of these product failures. The trouble with trip planning software is that making one that is 10X better than just planning it manually is very, very difficult. People love thinking about their trip and online tools don't make that more fun for t…

>If someone made a tool that was better than planning your trip in your head it doesn't matter that you aren't taking a trip all the time. Because most people are always planning their next trip in their mind.

My wife uses Travelocity's "book a random room" feature. You are told "random 4 star hotel in X area for $x" that is typically $10-20 less than if you use Travelocity to book that same hotel directly. She loves it because she gets really excited about saving a couple of bucks. I get anxious because I don't know what I'm getting.

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I generally agree with Garry's take on this. However, I have used tripit.com before and it's quite a nice tool. You simply email them all receipts, booking confirmations etc and it automatically gets added to your trip itinerary. However, it doesn't seem like a super successful business. The trip planning tool I need aggregates all my accommodation searches (Airbnb, VRBO etc) into a single place and includes all rele…

TripIt's been a great product for a long time, but not the kind of app he's talking about. The article is referring more to pre-trip planning for leisure travel, which is a very popular product to build but never successful. I've seen new ones pop up each year since I started working in travel 10+ years ago, and none has ever achieved scale. FWIW TripIt was acquired by Concur in 2011 for about $100M, so it was seen a…

Yeah. After I read everything more carefully, TripIt which I use is more in the vein of keeping track of business trips than pre-planning. Which I mostly don’t need software for especially for personal trips.

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Oh boy -- I'm the cofounder of Wanderlog ( https://wanderlog.com ), a YC W19 startup exactly focused on planning travel. And I've really read all these articles This originally was big on Hacker News in 2014: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8419658 This is really just the latest in a long list of articles about why travel planning startups aren't worth pursuing: - https://www.phocuswire.com/Why-you-should-never-…

Neato, this looks great.

Small(ish) request, can you add weather info in there? Always super important to know to reshuffle activities properly.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As wisely said, “the ‘Facebook for X’ is Facebook”.

True, except for LinkedIn because you can't post your drunken ragers and be professional all at once.

You’d be surprised what has become popular on LinkedIn.

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Ok, but why the @#% doesn't Facebook make it easy to know which of my old friends are living in cities I visit? I swear that would be the one obviously useful thing about Facebook.

The craziest thing is they used to make this easy with the social graph search or whatever they called it. Now if it's possible it's really hidden.
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