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Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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Like many here I also had an Trip Planner idea, also because I was solving my own pain point, to accurately create a feasible schedule for trips. My MVP (which is actually my travel planner) is a simple Google Spreadsheet that uses Google Maps API to calculate drive times between destinations (I like to do car trips). So i simply use it to put each destination, calculate driving tim and time at destination to fit the most destinations inside a day. It could become a product if it had access to a huge destinations database (like tripadvisor, Gmaps, etc.) with infos like "estimated visiting time", cost, etc... But I came to the same conclusion as Garry, this wouldn't be something that would appeal to many people.

Here is the link for the spreadsheet for the curious (you'll need a Google Maps Api key): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16T9kLpbqciKCLNWOoOV1...

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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Oh boy -- I'm the cofounder of Wanderlog ( https://wanderlog.com ), a YC W19 startup exactly focused on planning travel. And I've really read all these articles This originally was big on Hacker News in 2014: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8419658 This is really just the latest in a long list of articles about why travel planning startups aren't worth pursuing: - https://www.phocuswire.com/Why-you-should-never-…

You don't have to be just better than google sheets; you have to be a lot better than google sheets while also not introducing significantly more friction. Ideally none.

I think the space is hard because it involves tying together a number of different functionalities many of which are rarely done well, some which have never been done well.

Good luck! (meant sincerely).

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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This is a great quote! I only have a finite number of slots in my brain. If I don't remember it, I won't use it. Why do I feel like computer industry people turn a blind eye toward this? It may be that successful tech people have practically infinite slots in their brains, so they aren't sympathetic to us regular people that do not. An example is the common question "Why didn't you use [X framework] to do this?" as i…

In no small part, because the "slots" don't seem relevant in many cases. I couldn't tell you my dentist's name right now, but it's there, saved in my phone in case I need care tomorrow. Travel planning sites would be forgotten on my computer as a bookmark. Etc.

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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post #27

I had founded Flights With Friends for group travel planning shortly before this post. I read it when it came out but knew the point about travel being rare wasn't the cause of these product failures. The trouble with trip planning software is that making one that is 10X better than just planning it manually is very, very difficult. People love thinking about their trip and online tools don't make that more fun for t…

i once produced the annual catalog for a traditional travel package company, filled with pictures and enticingly-crafted copy (at merely-high to outrageous prices). the whole thing was designed to move potential customers from rational to emotional decision-making and apply simple price discrimination mechanics to maximize revenue. low tech but effective.

it seems like most travel planning software fails due to the too-common misapplication of technology to solve marketing problems.

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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I often wish there was better trip/adventure planning software for the things I want to do for the next three years. Many things are cyclical (annual), or seasonal, or when I’m in certain places (I have lists for when I’m in LA, or Berlin). Keeping track of all the opportunities I care about along those 3 criteria is a lot of manual work right now.

I do miss old school Foursquare, only somewhat apropos.

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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Several years ago a prominent SV individual (now investor) wrote why investors do not fund dating apps. Since then, several apps like Bumble and Hinge have had very successful M&A. So I don't think these blog posts are particularly valuable except to stop someone who isn't creative enough to break away from the typical path successfully.

I created a failed travel app which was pitched as "Tinder for Travel" (also an unsuccessful pitch as some people thought it was Tinder while you are traveling, but wouldn't that just be Tinder?).

The idea was not a travel app, per se. It was for weekend staycations, since I had the problem of coming up with an itinerary for the day if I wanted to go out and about. Where to go in the morning? Where to have lunch? What afternoon activity could I do? Dinner? These were typical annoyances I had every weekend so I figured an app would help.

The app was too broad, imo. If it were to be successful, it probably needed to start as a feature. One idea the app's co-creator Zach came up with was spots for the perfect instagram post. Personally I was thinking to narrow the scope entirely to, say, a weekend in Healdsburg (this would suffer from the problem Garry discusses, though!).

I believe there is something to the staycation idea, as it is exactly what you'd want on a vacation as well. It's too nebulous even after having thought about it for such a long time, but I'm glad I built it or I'd still think the vision was a perfect match for reality.

(Regarding the dreaming comments made by a couple of people: it may be true, but I've been told by family for whom I've planned trips manually that I do "a great job" -- they have no interest, and neither do I, about planning the trip but being taken along for the ride. So there's probably truth to both. People could certainly fantasize about their trip while using a tool to help plan it, even if it were years in the future.)

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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I wonder how a more competent form of Siri/Alexa/Home might change these market economics. If we ever come to rely on digital assistants for much more than the weather and turning on our lights, the problem of remembering goes away.

"Hey Siri, book me a flight to Vancouver for next January when prices are below $400"

"Hey Siri, show me my travel itinerary"

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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post #31

Again, I gotta nominate "Tinder, but for pickup basketball" as the most common bad startup (or at least app) idea. I get excited college students hitting me up with this nearly every semester, like clockwork.

That's not a bad idea, it's a good idea. Maybe a bad 'business idea', in that it probably won't make a ton of money, but as a solution, expanded into other casual sports, it might make sense. Pick Up BB has a lot of participants, who are not at the court at the same time. An app where you tap a button and say 'Who's Up For Hoops' and it connects you with others, is a great idea. You could work with cities to schedule…

Yeah, I suppose I mean "bad" in terms of "getting the thing off the ground."

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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> How often do people really plan trips? For the typical working adult, probably once or twice a year if you're lucky. One thing I think all founders/Product people should consider is that there are off label(so to speak) uses for everything. Many many people use travel planning software as escapism from drudgery. This is an opportunity not just to sell them travel, but also anything that immediately salves their bor…

> > How often do people really plan trips? ... probably once or twice a year if you're lucky.

> Many many people use travel planning software as escapism

Heh yeah I caught that too. My wife plans many, many trips per year - but we certainly don't go on all of them, hah. The planning is a hobby in itself.

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