Court issues permanent injunction in Epic vs. Apple case

Post by madeofpalk » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 4:10 PM UTC

Factorium wrote: post #92

fxtentacle wrote: post #70

Reading this, I cannot help but imagine someone at Apple thinking to themselves "I wish we had granted Epic an exemption like we did with Netflix". The court proceedings and the documents that they were required to disclose were surely bad for PR and now it looks like they won't even keep the monetary benefits.

Fortnite will come and go but Unreal Engine will be generating revenues forever. Epic are more motivated by transferring the excess profits of Apple into modest profits for developers, who then redistribute 5% of their revenues (as part of the Unreal Engine license) back to Epic. I wonder if Epic will sue Steam and console developers next... Epic sells Unreal to Sony and Microsoft, so suing them is probably unlikely.…

Post by gigatexal » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 4:11 PM UTC

madeofpalk wrote: post #101

coldcode wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a user, I have zero desire to use some random payment gateway, using Apple makes my life easier, I can reasonably trust Apple not to let someone steal my money, how am I supposed to trust 50 different gateways? Also if people move away from giving Apple any money for the App Store, I expect the annual fee to increase to make up for it, and might Apple make you pay more if you don't use Apple's gateway? I don't see…

> how am I supposed to trust 50 different gateways? Do you not buy things online currently? Do you not use Amazon, or Lyft, or Netflix, or Spotify?

Post by themaninthedark » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 4:11 PM UTC

freewizard wrote: post #57

Factorium wrote: post #23

Can this legal precedent also be applied to Steam?

> Notably, the judge rejected both parties’ definition of the marketplace at issue in the case. “The relevant market here is digital mobile gaming transactions, not gaming generally and not Apple’s own internal operating systems related to the App Store,” Gonzalez-Rogers wrote. I guess the question is does Mobile gaming cover handheld game device like Switch? If so, it may impact Steam Deck as well.

Post by fotta » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 4:11 PM UTC

dannyw wrote: post #31

fotta wrote: post #14

> permanently restrained and enjoined from prohibiting developers from including in their apps and their metadata buttons, external links, or other calls to action that direct customers to purchasing mechanisms, in addition to In-App Purchasing and (ii) communicating with customers through points of contact obtained voluntarily from customers through account registration within the app. This sounds like the same agre…

Apple's concession didn't apply to games; only "reader apps". Apple's concession also limited to one link, whereas this refers to links in the plural, and also metadata (eg app store descriptions).

Post by dannyw » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 4:11 PM UTC

fxtentacle wrote: post #70

Reading this, I cannot help but imagine someone at Apple thinking to themselves "I wish we had granted Epic an exemption like we did with Netflix". The court proceedings and the documents that they were required to disclose were surely bad for PR and now it looks like they won't even keep the monetary benefits.