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Court issues permanent injunction in Epic vs. Apple case

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Re: Court issues permanent injunction in Epic vs. Apple case

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I'm really happy to see this moving forward, but I loathe the potential future landscape. Every fortune 500 is going to immediately pivot to their own IAP options which will make my life harder compared to Apple Pay. I'm hoping with this movement, tools like Stripe/Paddle will develop some better IAP flows to make it as easy as possible. Adding my card information to 50 different in-app wallets does not sound appeali…

Apple Pay has no bearing on IAP. You can use Apple Pay with Epic's IAP implementation.

Re: Court issues permanent injunction in Epic vs. Apple case

#22

I'm really happy to see this moving forward, but I loathe the potential future landscape. Every fortune 500 is going to immediately pivot to their own IAP options which will make my life harder compared to Apple Pay. I'm hoping with this movement, tools like Stripe/Paddle will develop some better IAP flows to make it as easy as possible. Adding my card information to 50 different in-app wallets does not sound appeali…

There are payment aggregators that charge about 30c and 3%: PayPal, Shop Pay, Google Pay, etc. And Apple Pay.

There are also standards like Web Payments.

Re: Court issues permanent injunction in Epic vs. Apple case

#24

I'm really happy to see this moving forward, but I loathe the potential future landscape. Every fortune 500 is going to immediately pivot to their own IAP options which will make my life harder compared to Apple Pay. I'm hoping with this movement, tools like Stripe/Paddle will develop some better IAP flows to make it as easy as possible. Adding my card information to 50 different in-app wallets does not sound appeali…

On Android, I use Google Pay all of the time for in-app purchases, and it doesn't require Google to take 30%.

It's just another payment processor. It often shows up beside "add a credit card" in apps. I use it to order food, pay for rideshare, buy tickets, etc.

Re: Court issues permanent injunction in Epic vs. Apple case

#25

I'm really happy to see this moving forward, but I loathe the potential future landscape. Every fortune 500 is going to immediately pivot to their own IAP options which will make my life harder compared to Apple Pay. I'm hoping with this movement, tools like Stripe/Paddle will develop some better IAP flows to make it as easy as possible. Adding my card information to 50 different in-app wallets does not sound appeali…

Just to be clear here (and this fact doesn't really detract from your point) - Apple Pay is very different to Apple's In App Purchases. Apple Pay can be used anyhere, and it could still be used if a company rolls their own purchase system on their website that they link to from the app. Apple only gets a very minor % cut of Apple Pay transactions, from the bank, compared to Apple IAP where Apple gets 30% from the developer.

Besides, isn't the competition here what we want? Apple IAP are still easier, and probably will convert at a higher rate than pushing a user outside the app to do the payment on a website, so there's still incentives for developers to use them. If Apps switch away from IAP, then Apple is incentivised to actually compete (imagine that!!) and make something better that developers actively want to use.

It says something about the state of competition where Netflix can just say "no, we no longer want people to sign up on an iPhone and give us money". That says they don't think IAP is good, and Apple should actually work on building something that companies want to use.

Re: Court issues permanent injunction in Epic vs. Apple case

#26

I'm really happy to see this moving forward, but I loathe the potential future landscape. Every fortune 500 is going to immediately pivot to their own IAP options which will make my life harder compared to Apple Pay. I'm hoping with this movement, tools like Stripe/Paddle will develop some better IAP flows to make it as easy as possible. Adding my card information to 50 different in-app wallets does not sound appeali…

Apple Pay charges the banks a percentage per transaction on the credit card, despite not taking absolutely any of the risk in that operation. Plus a quarterly fee per card.

Do you think the banks are going to foot that bill? Of course not: it's us, the consumers.

Are you willing to have everything be a bit more expensive, for everyone, so that you, apple users, can have something a tiny bit more convenient?

Re: Court issues permanent injunction in Epic vs. Apple case

#27

I'm really happy to see this moving forward, but I loathe the potential future landscape. Every fortune 500 is going to immediately pivot to their own IAP options which will make my life harder compared to Apple Pay. I'm hoping with this movement, tools like Stripe/Paddle will develop some better IAP flows to make it as easy as possible. Adding my card information to 50 different in-app wallets does not sound appeali…

Apple Pay has no bearing on IAP. You can use Apple Pay with Epic's IAP implementation.

apple pay expressly forbids being used for digital content delivered within apps.

Re: Court issues permanent injunction in Epic vs. Apple case

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I'm really happy to see this moving forward, but I loathe the potential future landscape. Every fortune 500 is going to immediately pivot to their own IAP options which will make my life harder compared to Apple Pay. I'm hoping with this movement, tools like Stripe/Paddle will develop some better IAP flows to make it as easy as possible. Adding my card information to 50 different in-app wallets does not sound appeali…

Apple Pay has no bearing on IAP. You can use Apple Pay with Epic's IAP implementation.

Will I be able to use it with King's implementation, or my local pizza place's outsourced app?

edit: I was instantly downvoted without any discussion, which doesn't add to the conversation. The reason I ask is because that's what the key value add is of Apple's IAP - I know that my payment method is accepted on the app store.

Re: Court issues permanent injunction in Epic vs. Apple case

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> permanently restrained and enjoined from prohibiting developers from including in their apps and their metadata buttons, external links, or other calls to action that direct customers to purchasing mechanisms, in addition to In-App Purchasing and (ii) communicating with customers through points of contact obtained voluntarily from customers through account registration within the app. This sounds like the same agre…

It explicitly prohibits Apple from prohibiting any form of In-App purchasing, not merely links to external payments methods.

Re: Court issues permanent injunction in Epic vs. Apple case

#30

Wow, how did this ruling come so quickly when court cases are so slow to play out normally? Is this something that can get appealed?

Online court systems are here to stay. They're much more efficient than traditional in-person court, both in terms of overall time spent and in manpower.

There are still a lot of kinks to work out, such as how to handle court decorum & technological disparities such as low availability of high speed internet and good quality camera systems/lighting/privacy.

Personally I think the federal government should contract for an app other than Zoom because if I had to go to trial I wouldn't feel very comfortable knowing it was all being hosted by a private company, but that's a minor gripe.

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