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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by drewg123 »

ecommerceguy wrote: post #571
drewg123 wrote: post #426

For those of you arguing against getting vaccinated, please go volunteer at a local hospital. I'm currently in the hospital in the "red" part of my purple state. I had an acute appendicitis, and had to wait in a temporary, crowded, understaffed holding area in the ER for over 18 hours before getting admitted for treatment. My roommate in the hospital has an infected foot, and waited over 24 hours to be admitted. He m…

My sister is a nurse in a "red" state. During Covid they CLOSED 3 entire floors of the Hospital due to inactivity, she was PISSED because those floors could have easily been used as overflow. And yes thay are "full" now because operational capacity has been significantly reduced. >>"I almost wish that the anti-vaxxers would just stick to their science-rejecting principles and reject all health care, not just the vacc…

Ask people who have waited for health care, or had loved ones die due to delayed care.

Hospitals were closed due to inactivity LAST YEAR, before vaccines, because people were AFRAID TO GET COVID and expected to get it when going to a hospital.

I can assure you that the hospital I'm in has no closed floors.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by pc86 »

commandlinefan wrote: post #591
x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #464

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are dying from simple stuff while waiting for ICU beds, but the anti-vaxx crowd doesn't really care. https://people.com/health/u-s-army-veteran-dies-of-treatable... https://www.ky3.com/2021/08/27/man-dies-waiting-icu-bed-fami...

> waiting for ICU beds Not saying this isn't happening, but the phrasing here is a little disingenuous - there are plenty of beds , just not enough doctors and nurses to staff them. And why is that? In many cases, it's because the doctors and nurses themselves refuse to take an experimental vaccine and are being furloughed or terminated.

Stop saying "experimental vaccine" because that's entirely untrue. It might have been true for barely reasonable interpretations of the term months ago, but it's certainly untrue now.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by ecommerceguy »

drewg123 wrote: post #611
ecommerceguy wrote: post #571

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My sister is a nurse in a "red" state. During Covid they CLOSED 3 entire floors of the Hospital due to inactivity, she was PISSED because those floors could have easily been used as overflow. And yes thay are "full" now because operational capacity has been significantly reduced. >>"I almost wish that the anti-vaxxers would just stick to their science-rejecting principles and reject all health care, not just the vacc…

Ask people who have waited for health care, or had loved ones die due to delayed care. Hospitals were closed due to inactivity LAST YEAR , before vaccines, because people were AFRAID TO GET COVID and expected to get it when going to a hospital. I can assure you that the hospital I'm in has no closed floors.

Those floors are still closed Drew, and my sister is still pissed off about it.

You've been on all of the floors in that hospital? >>because people were AFRAID TO GET COVID and expected to get it when going to a hospital.

Wrong, one of the floors closed was the 7th floor where heart attack and stroke patients go. They closed due to lack of patients having heart attacks and strokes. These floors could be open right now and taking capacity from other full floors and hospitals.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7581311/#:~:tex....

I'll add that they laid off a number of staff, many of which have not been added back on. In this hospital and many others, square footage is at a premium because operational capacity has been reduced.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by anonfornoreason »

md_ wrote: post #572
logicalmonster wrote: post #518

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> I think your point--which is spot-on--is that a lot of the outraged reactions appear to be from people who are unaware (or unwilling to acknowledge) the very long history of compulsory vaccination (and who probably had such vaccines themselves as children). I think this is a strawman argument as virtually everybody is aware of past childhood vaccine requirements and acknowledges that they existed for a long time. W…

> why isn't Covid antibody testing a suitable substitute for vaccination? As I noted elsewhere, in many jurisdictions it is, as is testing. In fact, as the very article upon which you are commenting notes, under the new OSHA rules those who do not want to get vaccinated can simply take a test once a week instead! I admit, some mornings I have a bit of dry mouth, but after my morning coffee I always have enough spit t…

Nice “praise god” there at the end

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Post by artificialLimbs »

kook_throwaway wrote: post #490
md_ wrote: post #367

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> Inevitable outcome in a society that is terrified of everything. I agree. Lots of folks afraid to take a shot that's been well-studied and given to millions and is, in all probability, quite safe. ;) I chalk it up to the youth, who are selfish and only able to think about themselves and their Friendster ranks and how many YouTubes they have on the FaceSpace.

>Lots of folks afraid to take a shot that's been well-studied and given to millions and is, in all probability, quite safe. ;) That's one way to describe it. Another less charitable way to describe it: a novel gene therapy being deployed by organizations with a long history of experimenting on the people they were meant to protect. Pfizer and J&J got the two biggest fines ever handed out by the US government, and mod…

We used to like spraying DDT on kids at pool parties until the 'settled science' got challenged.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by drewg123 »

commandlinefan wrote: post #591
x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #464

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are dying from simple stuff while waiting for ICU beds, but the anti-vaxx crowd doesn't really care. https://people.com/health/u-s-army-veteran-dies-of-treatable... https://www.ky3.com/2021/08/27/man-dies-waiting-icu-bed-fami...

> waiting for ICU beds Not saying this isn't happening, but the phrasing here is a little disingenuous - there are plenty of beds , just not enough doctors and nurses to staff them. And why is that? In many cases, it's because the doctors and nurses themselves refuse to take an experimental vaccine and are being furloughed or terminated.

You're the one being disingenuous. The vaccine is not experimental. Its FDA approved.

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Post by HWR_14 »

ecommerceguy wrote: post #571
drewg123 wrote: post #426

For those of you arguing against getting vaccinated, please go volunteer at a local hospital. I'm currently in the hospital in the "red" part of my purple state. I had an acute appendicitis, and had to wait in a temporary, crowded, understaffed holding area in the ER for over 18 hours before getting admitted for treatment. My roommate in the hospital has an infected foot, and waited over 24 hours to be admitted. He m…

My sister is a nurse in a "red" state. During Covid they CLOSED 3 entire floors of the Hospital due to inactivity, she was PISSED because those floors could have easily been used as overflow. And yes thay are "full" now because operational capacity has been significantly reduced. >>"I almost wish that the anti-vaxxers would just stick to their science-rejecting principles and reject all health care, not just the vacc…

> During Covid they CLOSED 3 entire floors of the Hospital due to inactivity, she was PISSED because those floors could have easily been used as overflow. >yes thay are "full" now because operational capacity has been significantly reduced.

Well, most hospitals aren't limited by literal space. They are limited by personnel, or supplies, or even ICU capacity. Not square footage.

> What sort of degenerate would wish this upon others blows my mind.

He's not wishing anything on them. People I know are being turned (well, advised) away from seeking medical care because the unvaccinated are dominating the hospitals. Is it really wrong to request that if they want to use our health care system they take basic care of themselves?

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Post by jonahbenton »

disneygibson wrote: post #569
jonahbenton wrote: post #565

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It sounds like you don't have any idea how the reporting here actually works.

Please, enlighten me.

I don't have to! You yourself can go and get your cause of death reporting certificate.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/improving_cause_of_death_repor...

After you become a doctor or nurse or PA. Good luck!

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Post by etrautmann »

azth wrote: post #542
robmccoll wrote: post #364

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Yeah what's next? Making other behaviors that have a small but established likelihood of endangering the lives of others or their property illegal at little to no cost to the liberty of an individual? Pretty soon I won't be able to drive my car under the influence, or without proper insurance, or while not wearing a seatbelt, or I won't be able to discharge my firearms in my 0.2 acre backyard in a suburban area. 650,…

What about things that do have a lot of cost? Drinking (10,000 lives per year lost in the USA due to drunk driving), not to mention destroyed families and caused homicides, smoking (countless lives lost), sexual immorality (countless abortions and mental and psychological effects of casual sexual relationships).

The alternative also has a large cost. Pretending that no lives would be lost under a prohibition scenario ignores the data from times that's been tried either for alcohol or other drugs.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by HonestOp001 »

CabSauce wrote: post #392
moistrobot wrote: post #296

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We aren't ever going back to normal at this point. Once government gets power, it doesn't give it back. We're pushing closer to 2 Americas, one with freedom and one with vaccine mandates

You do realize that we vote for our government representatives, right? The 'government' is us.

Gerrymandering allows the ones in charge to stay in charge.
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